<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">Could it be that we all agree that WHOIS-related method are so tricky that it deserves to be ditched and the only thing to requires consensus is the deadline to apply?</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On my particular side, I personally consider that 1/1/2025 is a reasonable date. </div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">Le 17 sept. 2024 à 17:59, Adriano Santoni via Servercert-wg <servercert-wg@cabforum.org> a écrit :<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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<p><font face="Calibri">Andrew,<br>
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<p><font face="Calibri">I was not referring to any WHOIS server, but
rather to the information about domain "owners" that a registrar
is supposed to collect and keep.</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">So you believe that if a CA does the
following, the domain contact email they can (sometimes) get is
<i>unreliable</i>?<br>
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<p><font face="Calibri">1) Consult the list of accredited domain
registrars on the IANA website
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.icann.org/en/accredited-registrars">https://www.icann.org/en/accredited-registrars</a>), thus finding
confirmation of one particular registrar's website the CA was
looking for.<br>
2) Access the website found in point 1 above and query the
information available on a certain domain.<br>
3) At this point, sometimes (rarely) obtain, among other
information, also the email address of a domain contact.<br>
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<p><font face="Calibri">Note that here I'm not talking about the
WHOIS protocol nor WHOIS servers, but about the information that
the domain registrar has the duty to collect and store (not
necessarily publish) about the subject who registered a domain.<br>
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<p><font face="Calibri">Regards,</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">Adriano</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri"><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Il 17/09/2024 17:13, Andrew Ayer ha
scritto:<br>
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<pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">[NOTICE: Pay attention - external email - Sender is <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:agwa@andrewayer.name">agwa@andrewayer.name</a> ]
On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 07:21:28 +0000
Adriano Santoni via Servercert-wg <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org"><servercert-wg@cabforum.org></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">I believe that the /interactive
/query of the domain registrar, directly on its website, can be
considered reliable to the extent that the CA is confident that it is in
fact consulting the "right" website.
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<pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">CAs were not consulting the right WHOIS server, despite a database of
correct WHOIS servers existing (at least for gTLDs). How would the problem
be better when it comes to finding the "right" website?
The gTLD registry agreement requires gTLD operators to update the IANA
Rootzone Database when their WHOIS server changes; I don't see a
similar requirement for keeping a database of website URLs up-to-date.
Regards,
Andrew
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