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    Is there feedback about the number of TLDs and possible certificate
    volumes that might be affected by this attack?<br>
    <br>
    The majority of validations performed by CAs using WHOIS is done in
    gTLDs which have decent rules for monitoring and supervising their
    operators. The biggest issue is with ccTLDs, which in majority work
    ok. Unfortunately, most of them do not disclose email contact
    information, making them unusable for Domain Validation.<br>
    <br>
    Why are we causing such a large disturbance as if the Global
    Internet is unsafe by this attack when the impact is 1 or 2 vanity
    TLDs for which mitigations exist (like, use a better library or use
    the latest updated list from IANA)?<br>
    <br>
    I also agree with deprecating this method but we could do it in a
    planned and controlled fashion. Not all validations with this method
    are flawed, as it is currently presented.<br>
    <br>
    Also, the deprecation date of November 1, 2024 is too soon. Even if
    we consider the 7+7=14 days to pass a ballot, there are 30 days of
    the IPR review process making this extremely close to the Nov 1,
    2024 deadline. It is also difficult for all CAs to update their RA
    systems to stop re-using existing validation evidence in such a
    short timeframe.<br>
    <br>
    Do the authors feel this ballot is super urgent and need such an
    aggressive timeline? Is there any additional information for the
    potential impact of this attack compared to the other "healthy"
    cc/gTLDs? Would you consider an effective date closer to February or
    March 2025?<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    Thank you,<br>
    Dimitris.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/9/2024 7:16 μ.μ., Ryan Dickson
      via Servercert-wg wrote:<br>
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style="color:rgb(14,16,26);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">This
                Ballot proposes updates to the </span><span
style="color:rgb(14,16,26);font-style:italic;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">Baseline
                Requirements for the Issuance and Management of
                Publicly-Trusted TLS Server Certificates</span><span
style="color:rgb(14,16,26);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">
                (i.e., TLS BRs) related to sunsetting the use of WHOIS
                when identifying Domain Contacts.</span></p>
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style="color:rgb(14,16,26);font-weight:700;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">Background:</span></p>
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style="color:rgb(14,16,26);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">In
                light of recent events where research from WatchTowr
                Labs demonstrated how threat actors could exploit WHOIS
                to obtain fraudulently issued TLS certificates [1] and
                follow-on discussions in MDSP [2][3], we drafted an
                introductory proposal [4] to sunset the use of WHOIS for
                identifying Domain Contacts.</span></p>
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style="color:rgb(14,16,26);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">The
                proposal sets a prohibition against relying on WHOIS to
                identify Domain Contacts beginning 11/1/2024. At the
                same time, it also prohibits use of DCV reuse where
                WHOIS was used as the source of truth for a Domain
                Contact.</span></p>
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style="color:rgb(14,16,26);font-weight:700;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">Proposal
                Revision History</span><span
style="color:rgb(14,16,26);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">:</span></p>
            <ul>
              <li><span
style="background-color:transparent;color:rgb(14,16,26)">Pre-Ballot
                  Version #1 [4]</span></li>
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style="color:rgb(14,16,26);font-weight:700;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">Previous
                Versions of this Ballot</span><span
style="color:rgb(14,16,26);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">:</span></p>
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              <li><span
style="color:rgb(14,16,26);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">N/A</span><span
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style="color:rgb(14,16,26);font-weight:700;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">References</span><span
style="color:rgb(14,16,26);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">:</span></p>
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style="color:rgb(14,16,26);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">[1]
                <a
href="https://labs.watchtowr.com/we-spent-20-to-achieve-rce-and-accidentally-became-the-admins-of-mobi/"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://labs.watchtowr.com/we-spent-20-to-achieve-rce-and-accidentally-became-the-admins-of-mobi/</a></span></p>
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style="color:rgb(14,16,26);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">[2]
                <a
href="https://groups.google.com/a/mozilla.org/g/dev-security-policy/c/FuOi_uhQB6U"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://groups.google.com/a/mozilla.org/g/dev-security-policy/c/FuOi_uhQB6U</a></span></p>
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style="color:rgb(14,16,26);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">[3]
                <a
href="https://groups.google.com/a/mozilla.org/g/dev-security-policy/c/mAl9XjieSkA"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://groups.google.com/a/mozilla.org/g/dev-security-policy/c/mAl9XjieSkA</a></span></p>
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style="color:rgb(14,16,26);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">[4]
                <a
                  href="https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/pull/548"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/pull/548</a></span></p>
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style="color:rgb(14,16,26);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">[5]
                <a
href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IXL8Yk12gPQs8GXiosXCPLPgATJilaiVy-f9SbsMA28/edit?gid=268412787#gid=268412787"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IXL8Yk12gPQs8GXiosXCPLPgATJilaiVy-f9SbsMA28/edit?gid=268412787#gid=268412787</a></span></p>
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style="color:rgb(14,16,26);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">The
                following motion has been proposed by Ryan Dickson and
                Chris Clements of Google (Chrome Root Program) and
                endorsed by Arvid Vermote (GlobalSign) and Pedro Fuentes
                (OISTE).</span></p>
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style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-weight:700;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">—
                Motion Begins —</span></p>
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style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline"> </span></p>
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              style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">This
                ballot modifies the “Baseline Requirements for the
                Issuance and Management of Publicly-Trusted TLS Server
                Certificates” (“Baseline Requirements”), based on
                Version 2.0.7.</span></p>
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style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline"> </span></p>
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style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">MODIFY
                the Baseline Requirements as specified in the following
                Redline:</span></p>
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style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline"><a
href="https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/ba28d04894d69c8fac62850b9d0de5061658c7c5..356799f0dcfe11deb0a375a11233403236ab72c9"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/ba28d04894d69c8fac62850b9d0de5061658c7c5..356799f0dcfe11deb0a375a11233403236ab72c9</a></span></p>
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style="color:rgb(80,0,80);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline"> </span></p>
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style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">—
                Motion Ends —</span></p>
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style="color:rgb(80,0,80);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline"> </span></p>
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style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">This
                ballot proposes a Final Maintenance Guideline. The
                procedure for approval of this ballot is as follows:</span></p>
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style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">Discussion
                (7 days)</span></p>
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style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">-
                Start: 2024-09-16 16:00:00 UTC</span></p>
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style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">-
                End no earlier than: 2024-09-23 16:00:00 UTC</span></p>
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style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline"> </span></p>
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style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-weight:700;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">Vote
                for approval (7 days)</span></p>
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style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">-
                Start: TBD</span></p>
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