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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>DigiCert has proposed adding Ed25519 curves multiple times, both publicly and privately, and we’ve always been told that the Certificate Consumers are not interested in adding support for it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>This is unfortunate because it is quite popular, especially in Europe, and I’m not aware of a good reason for not allowing it, other than just reducing the number of algorithms that need to be maintained and supported, which is a legitimate concern.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>The other valid reason is that now is not a particularly good time to be transitioning between curves (e.g. P256 -> X25519), because organizations have limited resources and neither of those methods are quantum-safe. Getting ready for post-quantum crypto is probably a better use of resources for most organizations. But not all.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>But, on the whole, we continue to support allowing such certificates, if the details can be sorted out.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>-Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Servercert-wg <servercert-wg-bounces@cabforum.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Inigo Barreira via Servercert-wg<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 10, 2024 12:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> Q Misell <q@as207960.net><br><b>Cc:</b> CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <servercert-wg@cabforum.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Servercert-wg] Ed25519 certificates<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>BTW, it was already opened in GitHub<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES><a href="https://url.avanan.click/v2/___https:/github.com/cabforum/servercert/issues/451___.YXAzOmRpZ2ljZXJ0OmE6bzoxNGYzNTM5NDFlYTNjOGJlY2M5NGRjNzc4ZmU1ZjYxYzo2OmMxMDc6N2YzMjYwZDQzYWRiNjkyMzgzYzQ2OGZkZmYzOWNmYjc1YmRjZmQzYTIxYTc1NmQ5ZWU5MzkzZjMzOGVlN2NiMzpoOkY" title="Protected by Avanan: https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/issues/451"><span lang=EN-US>https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/issues/451</span></a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>De:</span></b><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Q Misell <<a href="mailto:q@as207960.net">q@as207960.net</a>> <br><b>Enviado el:</b> lunes, 10 de junio de 2024 16:49<br><b>Para:</b> Inigo Barreira <<a href="mailto:Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com">Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com</a>><br><b>CC:</b> Ben Wilson <<a href="mailto:bwilson@mozilla.com">bwilson@mozilla.com</a>>; CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a>><br><b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Servercert-wg] Ed25519 certificates<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES>Thanks for passing that on, I'll keep a close eye on that proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=ES><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p><span lang=ES style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#6C757D'>Any statements contained in this email are personal to the author and are not necessarily the statements of the company unless specifically stated. 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Glauca Digital and the Glauca logo are registered trademarks in the UK, under </span><span lang=ES style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif;color:#6C757D'>№</span><span lang=ES style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#6C757D'> UK00003718474 and </span><span lang=ES style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif;color:#6C757D'>№</span><span lang=ES style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#6C757D'> UK00003718468, respectively. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES>On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 at 15:21, Inigo Barreira <<a href="mailto:Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com">Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>FYI. TBD next week at the ETSI ESI meeting.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Title: Proposed CR#7 on TS 119 312: Introduce EdDSA incl. its variants (Ed448 and Ed25519)<span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Source: European Commission <br><br>Abstract: ETSI TS 119 312 provides guidance on selection of cryptographic suites with particular emphasis on interoperability. The Edwards-Curve Digital Signature Algorithm (EdDSA) is a state-of-the-art algorithm for electronic signatures. It is recommended by experts in cryptography and information security and adopted in many Internet security applications and specifications. Unfortunately, the currently published version of TS 119 312 does not reference EdDSA. This change request proposes to add EdDSA as a recommended digital signature algorithm to TS 119 312. The European Commission’s eDelivery Building Block is updating its eDelivery AS4 guidelines and would like to use EdDSA as digital signature algorithm in the updated version. Addition of EdDSA to TS 119 312 would contribute to the continued broad adoption of eDelivery AS4 as an interoperable, open standards-based eDelivery solution based on state-of-the-art security.<span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>De:</span></b><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Servercert-wg <<a href="mailto:servercert-wg-bounces@cabforum.org" target="_blank">servercert-wg-bounces@cabforum.org</a>> <b>En nombre de </b>Ben Wilson via Servercert-wg<br><b>Enviado el:</b> sábado, 8 de junio de 2024 19:28<br><b>Para:</b> Q Misell <<a href="mailto:q@as207960.net" target="_blank">q@as207960.net</a>>; CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org" target="_blank">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a>><br><b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Servercert-wg] Ed25519 certificates</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=ES> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:solid black 1.0pt;padding:2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:12.0pt;background:#FAFA03'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi Q,<span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I'm checking with the crypto team here at Mozilla and will let you know from our perspective.<span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks,<span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Ben<span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 4:39<span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span>AM Q Misell via Servercert-wg <<span lang=ES><a href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>servercert-wg@cabforum.org</span></a></span>> wrote:<span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi all,<span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>At the Tor meeting a few weeks ago I had some discussions with people asking why Ed25519 certificates are not allowed under the BR (§ 6.1.5). As far as I can tell there isn't much of a reason not to allow Ed25519 certs (if a CA wishes to support them ofc) and there were a few scenarios presented to me where Ed25519 certs would be useful in the context of Tor, which already makes heavy usage of Ed25519 keys.<span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Would there be motivation to change the rules to allow Ed25519 certs, or is there some reason I'm missing as to why they're not allowed?<span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=ES>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=ES>Q Misell<o:p></o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=ES><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#6C757D'>Any statements contained in this email are personal to the author and are not necessarily the statements of the company unless specifically stated. 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