<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">IMHO…<div><br></div><div>1. Currently CAs are expected already to do pre-issuance linting… I don’t know if a “SHOULD” changes effectively the situation… For me it seems that this initiative seems more for a “MUST” than a “SHOULD”… or it could also be a “SHOULD” linked to an effective date and a “MUST” linked to another date… (given what I mention in #3)</div><div><br></div><div>2. I agree with Iñigo that the “(and help improve)” is more an expectation than a requirement, so I don’t think it’s appropriate.</div><div><br></div><div>3. It must be understood that this will bring technical barriers that some ICAs will find, specially those running (probably technically constrained CAs) MS AD CS, EJBCA Community or other CA software that don’t facilitate “out of the box" pre-issuance linting. Not saying that this should stop the ballot to go ahead, but I wonder if the technical impact has been evaluated.</div><div><br></div><div>P<br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 21 May 2024, at 09:31, Inigo Barreira via Servercert-wg <servercert-wg@cabforum.org> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt;">Sure, in the last para of section 4.3.1.2, the sentence “… but CAs SHOULD use (and help improve) the Linting tools …” and I was suggesting removing that “(and help improve)” because IMO this can´t go in the main requirement/recommendation and “the help to improve” be seen as another requirement instead of a suggestion or willing to act which I think is what you had in mind.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcolor; border-image: none; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">De:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Dimitris Zacharopoulos <<a href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">dzacharo@harica.gr</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Enviado el:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>lunes, 20 de mayo de 2024 22:01<br><b>Para:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Inigo Barreira <<a href="mailto:Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com</a>><br><b>CC:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a>><br><b>Asunto:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Servercert-wg] Ballot SC-75 - Pre-sign linting<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="border: 1pt solid black; padding: 2pt;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; line-height: 12pt; background: rgb(250, 250, 3);"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Hello Inigo,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Can you be more specific? Which part of the ballot redline seems to need an update/removal?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><br>Thanks,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><p><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">DZ.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">May 20, 2024 21:03:50 Inigo Barreira <<a href="mailto:Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style="border-width: medium medium medium 2.25pt; border-style: none none none solid; border-color: currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204, 204, 204); border-image: none; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 8pt; margin-left: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Hi Dimitris,</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt;">I don´t know if the “(help to improve)” is adding any additional hidden requirement. IMO, I´d remove that.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt;">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcolor; border-image: none; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">De:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Servercert-wg <<a href="mailto:servercert-wg-bounces@cabforum.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">servercert-wg-bounces@cabforum.org</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>En nombre de<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via Servercert-wg<br><b>Enviado el:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>lunes, 20 de mayo de 2024 19:57<br><b>Para:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a>><br><b>Asunto:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Servercert-wg] Ballot SC-75 - Pre-sign linting</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="border: 1pt solid black; padding: 2pt;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; line-height: 12pt; background: rgb(250, 250, 3);"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><h1 style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 24pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-weight: bold;">SC-75 Pre-sign linting<o:p></o:p></h1><h2 id="bkmrk-summary" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 18pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-weight: bold;">Summary<o:p></o:p></h2><p id="bkmrk-this-pull-request-pr">There have been numerous compliance incidents publicly disclosed by CAs in which they failed to comply with the technical requirements described in standards associated with the issuance and management of publicly-trusted TLS Certificates. However, the industry has developed open-source tools, linters, that are free to use and can help CAs avoid certificate misissuance. Using such linters before issuing a precertificate from a Publicly-Trusted CA (pre-issuance linting) can prevent the mis-issuance in a wide variety of cases.<o:p></o:p></p><p id="bkmrk-the-following-motion">The following motion has been proposed by Dimitris Zacharopoulos of HARICA and endorsed by Corey Bonnell of Digicert and Ben Wilson of Mozilla.<o:p></o:p></p><p id="bkmrk-you-can-view-and-com">You can view the GitHub pull request representing this ballot<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/pull/518" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">here</a>. <o:p></o:p></p><h2 id="bkmrk-motion-begins" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 18pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-weight: bold;">Motion Begins<o:p></o:p></h2><p id="bkmrk-modify-the-%22baseline">MODIFY the "Baseline Requirements for the Issuance and Management of Publicly-Trusted TLS Server Certificates" based on Version 2.0.4 as specified in the following redline:<o:p></o:p></p><ul type="disc" id="bkmrk-https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"><li class="null" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><a href="https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/049237e096650fe01f67780b7c24bd5211ee3038...ada5d6e0db76b32be28d64edd7b0677bbef9c2f5" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/049237e096650fe01f67780b7c24bd5211ee3038...ada5d6e0db76b32be28d64edd7b0677bbef9c2f5</a> <o:p></o:p></li></ul><h2 id="bkmrk-motion-ends" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 18pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-weight: bold;">Motion Ends<o:p></o:p></h2><p id="bkmrk-this-ballot-proposes">This ballot proposes a Final Maintenance Guideline. The procedure for approval of this ballot is as follows:<o:p></o:p></p><h4 id="bkmrk-discussion-%2811%2B-days" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-weight: bold;">Discussion (at least 7 days)<o:p></o:p></h4><ul type="disc" id="bkmrk-start-time%3A-2024-01-" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"><li class="null" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">Start time: 2024-05-20 18:00:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></li><li class="null" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">End time: on or after 2024-05-27 18:00:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></li></ul><h4 id="bkmrk-vote-for-approval-%287" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-weight: bold;">Vote for approval (7 days)<o:p></o:p></h4><ul type="disc" id="bkmrk-start-time%3A-tbd-end-" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"><li class="null" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">Start time: TBD<o:p></o:p></li><li class="null" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">End time: TBD<o:p></o:p></li></ul></div></blockquote></div></div></div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">_______________________________________________</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">Servercert-wg mailing list</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><a href="mailto:Servercert-wg@cabforum.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">Servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.cabforum.org_mailman_listinfo_servercert-2Dwg&d=DwICAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=qm_sei9oi8FMTBVF17C6PNvWFjLNeiL2SvwI_7Qd0qNBd-2yEwi2E-lf9r_WbwRE&s=MHO8v9hoTUM3eerg1XuepAHtLwWZwiiBWoQHpTdmfWs&e=" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.cabforum.org_mailman_listinfo_servercert-2Dwg&d=DwICAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=-bX5hBm1IdRDykQ-dBR8tsFRCM4v1VXUyG7RZa2WqPY&m=qm_sei9oi8FMTBVF17C6PNvWFjLNeiL2SvwI_7Qd0qNBd-2yEwi2E-lf9r_WbwRE&s=MHO8v9hoTUM3eerg1XuepAHtLwWZwiiBWoQHpTdmfWs&e=</a></div></blockquote></div><br><div>
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