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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>My concern with a stronger position is that these linters are developed on a voluntary basis that may not be updated for some time and not be compliant with the latest changes/developments (we´ve seen that not all linters cover it all and therefore some CAs are using several at a time).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>But I do agree with and like your second point/proposal. A way to evaluate new linters/versions and be ready for adoption at a certain stage or for different cert types but written in a way that can not be a way out in case of a mis-issuance and to blame the linter (and hence the developer) for it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>De:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Ryan Dickson <ryandickson@google.com> <br><b>Enviado el:</b> lunes, 20 de mayo de 2024 21:35<br><b>Para:</b> Inigo Barreira <Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com>; CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <servercert-wg@cabforum.org><br><b>CC:</b> Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <dzacharo@harica.gr><br><b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Servercert-wg] Ballot SC-75 - Pre-sign linting<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:solid black 1.0pt;padding:2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:12.0pt;background:#FAFA03'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p style='margin:0cm'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Hi Dimitris, Corey, and Ben,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Thank you for bringing this ballot forward for the group’s consideration.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>A few questions:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Given the perceived value of linting, should we consider a stronger position on its adoption (i.e., MUST versus SHOULD)? While I recognize that the Baseline Requirements represent minimum expectations, consistent and reliable adoption of linting seems to provide the ecosystem with the best chance of addressing the problem statement described in the ballot summary.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><ul type=disc><ul type=circle><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>To accomplish this goal, the ballot could be modified to require use of linting (either tbs certificate linting, pre-certificate linting, or final certificate linting), with tbs certificate linting being considered RECOMMENDED and final certificate linting as being considered NOT RECOMMENDED.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>This goal could be further realized by either a (1) phased-implementation (i.e., SHOULD now, MUST later) - or (2) a forward-looking effective date that considers a reasonable timeline for adoption for those CA Owners looking to adhere to the BRs that do not perform linting today.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul></ul><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Is it worth more clearly establishing expectations for the evaluation and, when applicable, deployment of updates made by or to linting tools. For example, can we establish a reasonable expectation that within 30(?) days after an update has been made to a linting tool relied upon by a CA, it has either (1) been adopted in the production issuance environment - or (2) considered not applicable given the scope of recent updates (for example, if a CA only issues DV certificates, and the most recent update only pertains to EV certificates, there is no expectation that the updated version is deployed). <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Thanks for your consideration.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>- Ryan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 2:04</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=EN-US>PM Inigo Barreira via Servercert-wg <</span><a href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>servercert-wg@cabforum.org</span></a><span lang=EN-US>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt'>Hi Dimitris,</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt'>I don´t know if the “(help to improve)” is adding any additional hidden requirement. </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>IMO, I´d remove that.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>De:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Servercert-wg <</span><a href="mailto:servercert-wg-bounces@cabforum.org" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>servercert-wg-bounces@cabforum.org</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>> <b>En nombre de </b>Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via Servercert-wg<br><b>Enviado el:</b> lunes, 20 de mayo de 2024 19:57<br><b>Para:</b> CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <</span><a href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>servercert-wg@cabforum.org</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>><br><b>Asunto:</b> [Servercert-wg] Ballot SC-75 - Pre-sign linting</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:solid black 1.0pt;padding:2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:12.0pt;background:#FAFA03'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><h1><span lang=EN-US>SC-75 Pre-sign linting<o:p></o:p></span></h1><h2 id="m_2832419603062105658m_-7238962214217580443bkmrk-summary"><span lang=EN-US>Summary<o:p></o:p></span></h2><p id="m_2832419603062105658m_-7238962214217580443bkmrk-this-pull-request-pr"><span lang=EN-US>There have been numerous compliance incidents publicly disclosed by CAs in which they failed to comply with the technical requirements described in standards associated with the issuance and management of publicly-trusted TLS Certificates. However, the industry has developed open-source tools, linters, that are free to use and can help CAs avoid certificate misissuance. Using such linters before issuing a precertificate from a Publicly-Trusted CA (pre-issuance linting) can prevent the mis-issuance in a wide variety of cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p id="m_2832419603062105658m_-7238962214217580443bkmrk-the-following-motion"><span lang=EN-US>The following motion has been proposed by Dimitris Zacharopoulos of HARICA and endorsed by Corey Bonnell of Digicert and Ben Wilson of Mozilla.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p id="m_2832419603062105658m_-7238962214217580443bkmrk-you-can-view-and-com"><span lang=EN-US>You can view the GitHub pull request representing this ballot </span><a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fcabforum%2Fservercert%2Fpull%2F518&data=05%7C02%7CInigo.Barreira%40sectigo.com%7C466f1caa04b14ed924e608dc79041680%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C638518305682768229%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=2SFUVw8u52y09kq2VzzBFli50cAgn02n2BUYS1dG08E%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>here</span></a><span lang=EN-US>. <o:p></o:p></span></p><h2 id="m_2832419603062105658m_-7238962214217580443bkmrk-motion-begins"><span lang=EN-US>Motion Begins<o:p></o:p></span></h2><p id="m_2832419603062105658m_-7238962214217580443bkmrk-modify-the-%22baseline"><span lang=EN-US>MODIFY the "Baseline Requirements for the Issuance and Management of Publicly-Trusted TLS Server Certificates" based on Version 2.0.4 as specified in the following redline:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul type=disc id="m_2832419603062105658m_-7238962214217580443bkmrk-https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fc"><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fcabforum%2Fservercert%2Fcompare%2F049237e096650fe01f67780b7c24bd5211ee3038...ada5d6e0db76b32be28d64edd7b0677bbef9c2f5&data=05%7C02%7CInigo.Barreira%40sectigo.com%7C466f1caa04b14ed924e608dc79041680%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C638518305682779998%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=9NEgbnYA3bZjWSmIHoRLh%2ByuVzFWio7kQHCoCOPpnzE%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/049237e096650fe01f67780b7c24bd5211ee3038...ada5d6e0db76b32be28d64edd7b0677bbef9c2f5</span></a><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><h2 id="m_2832419603062105658m_-7238962214217580443bkmrk-motion-ends"><span lang=EN-US>Motion Ends<o:p></o:p></span></h2><p id="m_2832419603062105658m_-7238962214217580443bkmrk-this-ballot-proposes"><span lang=EN-US>This ballot proposes a Final Maintenance Guideline. The procedure for approval of this ballot is as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></p><h4 id="m_2832419603062105658m_-7238962214217580443bkmrk-discussion-%2811%2B-days">Discussion (at least 7 days)<o:p></o:p></h4><ul type=disc id="m_2832419603062105658m_-7238962214217580443bkmrk-start-time%3A-2024-01-"><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3'>Start time: 2024-05-20 18:00:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3'><span lang=EN-US>End time: on or after 2024-05-27 18:00:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><h4 id="m_2832419603062105658m_-7238962214217580443bkmrk-vote-for-approval-%287">Vote for approval (7 days)<o:p></o:p></h4><ul type=disc id="m_2832419603062105658m_-7238962214217580443bkmrk-start-time%3A-tbd-end-"><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4'>Start time: TBD<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4'>End time: TBD<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>_______________________________________________<br>Servercert-wg mailing list<br></span><a href="mailto:Servercert-wg@cabforum.org" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>Servercert-wg@cabforum.org</span></a><span lang=EN-US><br></span><a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.cabforum.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fservercert-wg&data=05%7C02%7CInigo.Barreira%40sectigo.com%7C466f1caa04b14ed924e608dc79041680%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C638518305682788194%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=aACjn%2BoRC%2B16DYbnV539MU06gynLanS%2FmbeVi65Y6Jg%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>https://lists.cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/servercert-wg</span></a><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></body></html>