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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=ES link="#467886" vlink="#96607D" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>These are the Final Minutes of the Teleconference described in the subject of this message, prepared by Iņigo Barreira (Sectigo).<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><h3><span lang=EN-US>1. Roll Call<o:p></o:p></span></h3><p><span lang=EN-US>Aaron Gable - (Let's Encrypt), Aaron Poulsen - (Amazon), Abhishek Bhat - (eMudhra), Adam Jones - (Microsoft), Adrian Mueller - (SwissSign), Antti Backman - (Telia Company), Brianca Martin - (Amazon), Brittany Randall - (GoDaddy), Bruce Morton - (Entrust), Chris Clements - (Google), Clint Wilson - (Apple), Corey Bonnell - (DigiCert), Corey Rasmussen - (OATI), David Kluge - (Google), Dean Coclin - (DigiCert), Dimitris Zacharopoulos - (HARICA), Doug Beattie - (GlobalSign), Dustin Hollenback - (Microsoft), Enrico Entschew - (D-TRUST), Eva Vansteenberge - (GlobalSign), Gregory Tomko - (GlobalSign), Inaba Atsushi - (GlobalSign), Inigo Barreira - (Sectigo), Jaime Hablutzel - (OISTE Foundation), Johnny Reading - (GoDaddy), Jos Purvis - (Fastly), Karina Sirota - (Microsoft), Keshava Nagaraju - (eMudhra), Kiran Tummala - (Microsoft), Lynn Jeun - (Visa), Mads Henriksveen - (Buypass AS), Marcelo Silva - (Visa), Marco Schambach - (IdenTrust), Mark Nelson - (IdenTrust), Martijn Katerbarg - (Sectigo), Michelle Coon - (OATI), Miguel Sanchez - (Google), Mrugesh Chandarana - (IdenTrust), Nargis Mannan - (VikingCloud), Nate Smith - (GoDaddy), Nicol So - (CommScope), Pedro Fuentes - (OISTE Foundation), Peter Miskovic - (Disig), Rebecca Kelley - (Apple), RIch Smith - (DigiCert), Rollin Yu - (TrustAsia), Roman Fischer - (SwissSign), Sandy Balzer - (SwissSign), Stephen Davidson - (DigiCert), Tadahiko Ito - (SECOM Trust Systems), Tathan Thacker - (IdenTrust), Thomas Zermeno - (SSL.com), Tobias Josefowitz - (Opera Software AS), Trevoli Ponds-White - (Amazon), Tsung-Min Kuo - (Chunghwa Telecom), Wayne Thayer - (Fastly), Wendy Brown - (US Federal PKI Management Authority), Yashwanth TM - (eMudhra), Yoshihiko Matsuo - (Japan Registry Services).<o:p></o:p></span></p><h3><span lang=EN-US>2. Read note-well<o:p></o:p></span></h3><p><span lang=EN-US>The note-well was read.<o:p></o:p></span></p><h3><span lang=EN-US>3. Review of Agenda<o:p></o:p></span></h3><p><span lang=EN-US>The Agenda was approved.<o:p></o:p></span></p><h3><span lang=EN-US>4. Approval of minutes from the January 4, 2024 Teleconference (minutes have been distributed)<o:p></o:p></span></h3><p><span lang=EN-US>The minutes were approved.<o:p></o:p></span></p><h3><span lang=EN-US>5. Approval of minutes from the February 1, 2024 Teleconference (minutes have been distributed)<o:p></o:p></span></h3><p><span lang=EN-US>The minutes were approved.<o:p></o:p></span></p><h3><span lang=EN-US>6. Membership<o:p></o:p></span></h3><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Sun ShengNan: accepted as interested party. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Dong Yul Lee: accepted as interested party.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Identrust: accepted as full member. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>MOIS (Ministry Of Interior and Safety) of Korea: accepted as probationary member for 6 months before becoming full member.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><h3><span lang=EN-US>7. Topics<o:p></o:p></span></h3><p><span lang=EN-US>GitHub open issues and F2F agenda<o:p></o:p></span></p><h3><span lang=EN-US>8. GitHub open issues<o:p></o:p></span></h3><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Iņigo<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>About 100 open issues in GitHub.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Some remain open for more than 4 years.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Some are open from people that do not attend/belong to the CABF anymore.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Some opened at some point but havenīt been updated since.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>The clean-up ballot will reduce this number to seventy-something but will grow again.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>GitHub usually publish the newest ones in the first page and maybe none pays attention to the latest pages (like the test keys, initially caught attention but then moved backwards and only discussed again when put in the agenda).<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Need to define a procedure on how to deal with this number..<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Trev<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>The main issue is that they are not self-contained, most of them. Just donīt know what happened at that time and why. They donīt have the full story of the issue.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>We could benefit from putting together like a set of required fields for putting in these issues and when checking old ones be able to answer a basic set of questions. And if we canīt, just close those old ones.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Clint<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Agreed with what Trev said but from my point of view I donīt see this number as an issue. These issues remaining open is kind of a backlog of identified issues, and maybe those were incorporated in other ballots but not removed from there but addressed in some way.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>But it's also often useful in, in these types of issues to talk about a proposed solution so that you're coming back to it. You're not just seeing the problem you're sort of seeing what someone else was thinking or what the group was thinking about how you could go about addressing it. To what the problem even means and, and the person's mind that opened it and so something like a, a template of, of information that should be included in the issue. Description seems like a, a pretty, you know, solid idea.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Iņigo<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>I don't think having a specific number or, or being created like four years ago, it's a problem. It might concern if, after four years we haven't dealt with this open issues and, and I don't know if this is because there are so many that someone forgot about it, or any other concern, so it's not just the number. Not just the day, it's just, it's both, so it's just, it's work created a long time ago. Hasn't been updated and then I don't know if it's still valid or not.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Also like what Trev proposed, a kind of template. Just wanted to bring the situation to the table, think about solutions and prepare something for the F2F. We need to improve the way to handle these open issues in Github. That was it.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Trev<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>That makes sense, but I also say I totally agree with Clint. I just, I don't think it matters if the issues are open for years, what I think the reason it feels, the reason that we don't like it is because we can't action on them because not all of them contain enough context to do.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>So, I think we should solve that problem, and then later see if we actually have a problem where we need some kind of like, triage or checking on them or anything like that because, you know, there's nothing wrong with having a backlog of known things.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Thanks, basically gonna say what Trev just mentioned and I agree with maybe some better formatting of the way that issues are presented in line with what Trev and Clint were saying, but the examples that you have here on the screen, I think almost all of them have like, a new owner as previous reviews, so I think that is one thing if you open up a new issue. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>I do think it's important to reassign the ownership and then as this meeting has now expanded to an hour, you know, maybe dedicating some time to randomly or systematically triage, some of the open issues or just check in to see if there's any status from an owner, you know, maybe some time from each of these meetings could be dedicated to pulling through some of the open issues<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Iņigo<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Yeah, I was going to ask about this triage so, we can spend fifteen minutes every call and do this kind of triage. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Well, I put some of this feedback in this kind of procedure for this and we'll discuss in, in the next F2F and see if we can.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><h3><span lang=EN-US>9. F2F agenda<o:p></o:p></span></h3><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Iņigo<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>I have 3 topics: <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><ul type=disc><ul type=circle><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Revocation proposed by Trev.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>DNS delegation and this way save some time for validation SC bringing this to the Server cert slot. Michael Slaughter will present.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Linting proposed by Dimitris.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul></ul><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Some other additional topics could be:<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><ul type=disc><ul type=circle><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Number of new versions. Right now, every ballot generates a new version and that means a lot of work due to the number of ballots addressed in this WG. Also, this growing number of versions might have some additional implications on CAs, relying parties, customers, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul></ul><h3><span lang=EN-US>10. Ballots update<o:p></o:p></span></h3><p><span lang=EN-US>Review of the current ballots situation as per the agenda.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Wayne asked if we could add the compromise key ballot proposal to the draft list and wanted to make a pitch for folks to review it, and if you're willing to endorse it so that I can get the ballot rolling.<o:p></o:p></span></p><h3><span lang=EN-US>11. Any other business<o:p></o:p></span></h3><p><span lang=EN-US>None.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US><br><br>Next call is March 14, 2024. Meeting adjourned.<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>