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Thank you for providing the correct comparison, this is helpful. <br>
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I'm not sure what kind of precedent we set by voting on a normative
redline that points to something else than what we actually intend
to vote on. However, it seems that more focus is on the EVG which is
clearer.<br>
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HARICA changes its vote to "yes" for ballot SC65.<br>
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Dimitris.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/3/2024 4:36 μ.μ., Inigo Barreira
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="ui-provider"><span
lang="EN-US">The correct comparison URL is </span><a
href="https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/41f01640748fa612386f8b1a3031cd1bff3d4f35..dedeebfe036fa5a6f0d7ae985ea08317ba60b8cb"
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class="ui-provider"><span lang="EN-US">. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="ui-provider"><span
lang="EN-US">I´d like to thank Corey for assisting in this
and explaining the difference between a two dot and a
three dot comparison in GitHub.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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Ponds-White, Trev <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:trevolip@amazon.com"><trevolip@amazon.com></a> <br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> jueves, 7 de marzo de 2024 20:51<br>
<b>Para:</b> Inigo Barreira
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com"><Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com></a>; CA/B Forum Server
Certificate WG Public Discussion List
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org"><servercert-wg@cabforum.org></a>; Dimitris
Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr"><dzacharo@harica.gr></a><br>
<b>Asunto:</b> RE: [Servercert-wg] [Voting Period
Begins]: SC65: Convert EVGs into RFC 3647 format v2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">Inigo are you going to fix the redline? I
agree with Dimitris that it’s not actually clear what the
change is. For recording purposes I think we want the
ballot content to be correct. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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lang="EN-US"> Servercert-wg <<a
href="mailto:servercert-wg-bounces@cabforum.org"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">servercert-wg-bounces@cabforum.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Inigo Barreira via Servercert-wg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 7, 2024 2:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <<a
href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dzacharo@harica.gr</a>>;
CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion
List <<a href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [EXTERNAL] [Servercert-wg] [Voting
Period Begins]: SC65: Convert EVGs into RFC 3647
format v2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Yes, you´re right
Dimitris and I was also a bit confused but I think I
know what has happened. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">These changes are
over version 2.0.2 as you can check in the PR but when
created the comparing link I was copying the latest ones
I was using since we started the ballot discussion, over
last summer, which at that time the version was 2.0.0,
so used this “old” version, then the 3 dots, and the new
version over v2.0.2 every time (you can see that the
changes applied in the last 2 ballots are applied again)
but without changing the initial one, so always took
version 2.0.0 for comparing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I think this
happened because, first I didn´t pay enough attention to
the links, also because it´s been a long time discussing
ballot and finally because there are so many ongoing
that I lost track. I´m really sorry and I apologize.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">That said, the
problem is just in the comparing link for the BRs (the
EVGs are not affected which is the main objective of
this ballot) but not on the version used for the
changes. The changes are over the latest version
published, v2.0.2, as you can check in the PR.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">So, with this in
mind I don´t know what to do next. According to the
bylaws I can withdraw the ballot during the voting
period and prepare a new version. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">OTOH, (considering
that the PR is correct) the ballot can continue and see
the result. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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Servercert-wg <<a
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<b>En nombre de </b>Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA)
via Servercert-wg<br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> jueves, 7 de marzo de 2024 9:07<br>
<b>Para:</b> <a
href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a><br>
<b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Servercert-wg] [Voting Period
Begins]: SC65: Convert EVGs into RFC 3647 format v2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Apologies
for not reviewing this ballot sooner.<br>
<br>
I am a bit confused with the redline changes, especially
in the BRG. Based on the GitHub link, the comparison of
the BRs is against version 2.0.0, not 2.0.2 as described
in the summary of this ballot. <br>
<br>
HARICA is uncertain about the changes introduced and
therefore votes "no" to ballot SC65.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 4/3/2024 5:33 μ.μ., Inigo
Barreira via Servercert-wg wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><strong><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Summary: </span></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
<p id="bkmrk-this-ballot-aims-to-"><span lang="EN-US">The
Extended Validation Certificates guidelines (EVGs)
were developed and written in a specific format.
Since then, the RFC 3647 has been the basis (and
the de-facto standard) for the CA/Browser Forum to
develop other documents.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">This ballot aims to update the
EVGs to follow the RFC 3647 format without
changing any content, just moving current sections
to those defined in the RFC 3647. </span><span
style="mso-fareast-language:JA" lang="EN-US">There
are no normative requirements changes.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">This change also affects the
Baseline Requirements for TSL certificates (BRs)
which needs to point to the new sections of the
EVGs. Both documents will be updated according to
the latest version published.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p id="bkmrk-this-pull-request-pr"><span lang="EN-US">This
ballot is proposed by Iñigo Barreira (Sectigo) and
endorsed by Pedro Fuentes (OISTE) and Ben Wilson
(Mozilla).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p id="bkmrk-%E2%80%94-motion-begins-%E2%80%94"><span
lang="EN-US">--- Motion Begins ---</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p id="bkmrk-this-ballot-modifies"><span lang="EN-US">This
ballot modifies the “Baseline Requirements for the
Issuance and Management of Publicly-Trusted TLS
Certificates" ("TLS Baseline Requirements"), based
on Version 2.0.2 and the “Guidelines for the
Issuance and Management of Extended Validation
Certificates” (EVGs) based on Version 1.8.0. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p id="bkmrk-modify-the-baseline-"><span lang="EN-US">MODIFY
the TLS EVGs and BRs as specified in the following
Redline:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><a
href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fcabforum%2Fservercert%2Fcompare%2F90a98dc7c1131eaab01af411968aa7330d315b9b...dedeebfe036fa5a6f0d7ae985ea08317ba60b8cb&data=05%7C02%7CInigo.Barreira%40sectigo.com%7C22c90a8b04a4446ebed508dc3edffbd6%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C638454378939340788%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=lpQVYFIa2t66ijqB6uEW97TqkoqvWwokeEeAUgGDQb4%3D&reserved=0"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">Comparing
90a98dc7c1131eaab01af411968aa7330d315b9b...dedeebfe036fa5a6f0d7ae985ea08317ba60b8cb
· cabforum/servercert (github.com)</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">--- Motion Ends ---</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p id="bkmrk-this-ballot-proposes"><span lang="EN-US">This
ballot proposes a Final Maintenance Guideline for
the BRs and EVGs. The procedure for approval of
this ballot is as follows:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p id="bkmrk-discussion-%2811%2B-days">Discussion (at
least 7 days)<o:p></o:p></p>
<ol type="1" start="1">
<li class="null" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">Start
time: 2024-02-20 1<span lang="SV">7</span>:<span
lang="SV">0</span>0:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="null" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span
lang="EN-US">End time: not before 2024-03-04
15:00:00 UTC</span><o:p></o:p></li>
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<p id="bkmrk-vote-for-approval-%287">Vote for approval
(7 days)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="null" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6">Start
time: 2024-03-04 15:30:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="null" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6">End
time: 2024-03-11 15:30:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></li>
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