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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Attendance to be include later.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">Meeting minutes for Face to Face SCWG </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-left:27.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:20.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif;color:#374151">Revocation</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif;color:#374151">:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="elementtoproof" style="margin-left:27.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif;color:#374151">The current rules in place were established about a decade ago, and much has changed since then, especially in terms of certificate volumes
and crt.sh. Often, revocation appears to be a cosmetic issue, and there's a sense that it does a disservice to both subscribers and relying parties. Creating unnecessary crises is not beneficial. There's a strong desire to update the rule.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:27.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif;color:#374151">Key Points:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#374151;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif">Hold CA accountable for errors, without placing the burden on subscribers and relying parties. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#374151;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif">Proposed an extension of the revocation period from
<b>5 days to 15 days</b> to allow sufficient time for replacement.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#374151;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif">Suggest a different remediation process for certain types of issues, such as typos.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#374151;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif">Establish a general consensus on allowing additional time for remediation, particularly extending the revocation period to 15 days.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#374151;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif">Request a detailed proposal outlining the changes being suggested and providing reasons for these changes.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p style="margin-left:27.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#374151"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:27.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif;color:#374151">Conclusion:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:27.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif;color:#374151">The overall consensus leans towards a 15-day revocation period, with an emphasis on avoiding unnecessary crises and giving subscribers ample time for replacement.
The proposal should not only detail the changes but also provide clear reasons for each modification.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:27.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#374151"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:27.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#374151"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:27.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:20.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif;color:#374151">Ballots</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-left:27.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#374151"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#374151;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif">SC65 EVGs into RFC 3647 Format: - Inigo Barreira</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#374151;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif">Received emails from Dimitris and the team, reviewed them.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#374151;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif">Two more endorsers needed for this ballot.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#374151;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif">Refined certain terms.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#374151;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif">Discussed BRS definitions on Applicant/subscriber.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#374151;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif">Explored the use of "Applicant Subscriber" in some instances.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#374151;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif">Subscriber is required to accept the subscriber agreement and the certificate issued in accordance.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#374151;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif">Added a definition for "Application Subscriber" and seeking suggestions for improvement.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#374151;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif">Rephrased the subscriber agreement definition based on feedback from Bruce.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#374151;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif">Ben secured endorsers for the Subscriber Agreement and terms of use.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#374151;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif">Ben sent an email with revised sections (3, 4, and 5) of the charter focusing on certificate consumers.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#374151;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif">Discussed changes made to sections.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#374151;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif">This ballot was discussed at the working group and forum levels with changes.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#374151;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif">Ben needs two more endorsers.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#374151;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif">Next step, even without endorsers, Ben can publish this to the public list for discussion.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p style="margin-left:27.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Söhne",serif;color:black">#180 Log Entries Ambiguity in 5.4.1:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3"><span style="font-family:"Söhne",serif">Resolved in the log ballot; terminology changed to "log record."</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3"><span style="font-family:"Söhne",serif">Issue #180 is now closed.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p style="margin-left:27.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Söhne",serif;color:black">#186 Subscriber Key Pair Generation and Private Key Control Verification:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo4"><span style="font-family:"Söhne",serif">Consensus reached on this issue.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo4"><span style="font-family:"Söhne",serif">Decision pending on whether to close or keep it open.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p style="margin-left:27.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Söhne",serif;color:black">#187 Technically Constrained Sub CAs and Key Generation Report:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-family:"Söhne",serif">Agreement that Technically Constrained Sub CAs should require a Key Generation report.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-family:"Söhne",serif">Inigo will contact Pedro for further action and information.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-family:"Söhne",serif">Consensus to close the issue.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p style="margin-left:27.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Söhne",serif;color:black">#201 Clarification of Problem Reporting Method Accessibility:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo6"><span style="font-family:"Söhne",serif">Substantial discussion during the Mozilla update on this topic.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo6"><span style="font-family:"Söhne",serif">Agreements reached to close the issue.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p style="margin-left:27.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Söhne",serif;color:black">#229 Clarification of "Appropriate Way" for Wildcards and gTLDs:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#374151;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo7"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif">Agreement on the need for clear improvements.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#374151;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo7"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif">Designated as a backlog item with low priority.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#374151;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo7"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif">Suggested as a good first ballot if needed.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#374151;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo7"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Söhne",serif">Concluded to add a "help wanted" label; Dimitris will coordinate with participants to assign the issue.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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