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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/12/2023 7:27 μ.μ., Aaron Gable
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">It's also worth noting that the Baseline
        Requirements also diverge from RFC 3647 in this way: for
        example, Section 1.5 of RFC 3647 is concerned with the contact
        information of the group <i>administering the CP/CPS</i>, while
        Section 1.5(.2) of the BRs is concerned with contact information
        of the group <i>operating the CA</i>. </div>
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    The group <i>administrering </i>the CP/CPS can be included in
    section "1.5.2  Contact person" along with what the BRs need for the
    group <i>operating </i>the CA. One does not prohibit the other.<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">So trying to cleave too closely to the bulleted
        descriptions inside RFC 3647 is unhelpful, imo.</div>
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    I believe CAs are obligated by policy to include all bulleted
    section of section 6 of RFC 3647 (plus <a
      href="https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/rfc3647">errata</a>).<br>
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        <div>For whatever it's worth, I think that Section 11 of the
          current EVGs could be renumbered wholesale to become Section
          3.2, retaining its subsections as-is, with few or no issues.</div>
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    IMO ... as long as it doesn't conflict with sections/subsections of
    the outline of RFC 3647.<br>
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    Dimitris.<br>
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        <div>Aaron</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 8:51 AM
          Tim Hollebeek via Servercert-wg <<a
            href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org"
            moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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              <div class="m_5766168836313912132WordSection1"><o:p
                  class="MsoNormal">This is unfortunately wrong.  There
                  are lots of misconceptions about RFC 3647
                  “compliance”.<o:u><o:u></o:u></o:u></o:p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <o:p class="MsoNormal">The first point is that RFC 3647
                  is an INFORMATIONAL RFC.  You can see this right at
                  the top, where it says “Category: Informational”. 
                  This means that it contains no requirements and it’s
                  impossible to be out of compliance with it.  This is
                  why I put quotes around “compliance”. Any requirements
                  around it need to come from elsewhere, for example, a
                  root program requirement that requires a particular
                  document to be in RFC 3647 format.  But that’s vague
                  and informal, because 3647 doesn’t have requirements,
                  it just has an outline and suggested contents.  It’s
                  not 100% precise what “MUST be in RFC 3647 format”
                  means, and we need to just acknowledge that
                  (specifying it precisely would be a colossal waste of
                  time).<o:u><o:u></o:u></o:u></o:p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <o:p class="MsoNormal">So what does “RFC 3647 format”
                  mean?  RFC 3647’s outline only covers the first two
                  levels.  So “Section 3.2: Initial Identity Validation”
                  is a RFC 3647 section header, and most reasonable
                  interpretations of “RFC 3647 format” would require it
                  to exist with that or a substantially similar name and
                  contents.<o:u><o:u></o:u></o:u></o:p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <o:p class="MsoNormal">Section 3.2.1, on the other hand,
                  is not an RFC 3647 section.  It’s common to have a
                  third level of headers that mirror the “bullet points”
                  in the suggested content for the section, but those
                  are just unordered bullet lists in RFC 3647.  Claiming
                  that section 3.2.1 of a document in RFC 3647 must
                  describe private key protection goes beyond what RFC
                  3647 says.  Section 3.2 just “contains the following
                  elements”, so private key protection is just one of
                  several topics that one might discuss in section 3.2. 
                  It could be section 3.2.1, but it could be elsewhere
                  in 3.2, and it’s perfectly fine for 3.2.1 to not
                  exist, have different content, etc.<o:u><o:u></o:u></o:u></o:p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <o:p class="MsoNormal">Figuring out where section 11.1
                  goes is not trivial, but at first glance, section 3.2
                  is not an unreasonable choice, and I can understand
                  why Inigo made it.  And there isn’t a compliance
                  reason why it can’t be section 3.2.1, if that’s what
                  we want.<o:u><o:u></o:u></o:u></o:p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <o:p class="MsoNormal">Of course, we could convert the
                  recommended bulleted sections to a numbered list of
                  subsections (we often do elsewhere), in which case
                  section 3.2.1 could be “Private Key Protection” with
                  contents “No Stipulation”.  If we do that, I suggest
                  we follow the rest of the bullets as well.<o:u><o:u></o:u></o:u></o:p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Either way works.</p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">-Tim</p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Dimitris
                        Zacharopoulos <<a
                          href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dzacharo@harica.gr</a>>
                        <br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 1, 2023 10:48 AM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> Inigo Barreira <<a
                          href="mailto:Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com</a>><br>
                        <b>Cc:</b> Tim Hollebeek <<a
                          href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</a>>;
                        CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public
                        Discussion List <<a
                          href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a>><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Servercert-wg] SC-065:
                        Convert EVGs into RFC 3647 format pre-ballot</p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">We MUST
                        comply with RFC 3647 which means that we must
                        include sections that are listed in the outline
                        of 3647, and if we have nothing to say, we leave
                        it empty. We can't "hijack" the numbering just
                        because we have no requirements to describe. <br>
                        <br>
                        That's my interpretation of the RFC 3647
                        compliance. Perhaps others can chime in and
                        state their opinion. <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        Thanks, </span></p>
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                    <p><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">DZ.</span></p>
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                      <p><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Dec
                          1, 2023 14:50:23 Inigo Barreira <<a
                            href="mailto:Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com</a>>:</span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES">Thanks
                          Dimitris.</span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I think
                          that strictly speaking, in RFC 3647 this
                          section is the 4.3.2 Initial Identity
                          Validation and the first bullet is about
                          proving the possession of the private key, but
                          there´s no specific section other than the
                          general approach that we´ve implemented.</span><span
                          lang="ES"></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">That said,
                          the current EVG does not include anything
                          about the possession of the private key
                          because that´s covered in the TLS BRs so that
                          section does not exist in the EVGs and
                          therefore I didn´t know how to avoid/implement
                          it.</span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I decided
                          to continue with the normal numbering for an
                          easy checking, so all 11 section is moved into
                          section 3.2 and the rest of the sub-numbers do
                          not change (so 11.1 would be 3.2.1, 11.1.1
                          would be 3.2.1.1, etc.)</span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I
                          understand your point but I think we can´t
                          create a section 3.2.1 for private key
                          possession because there´s no such a text in
                          the EVGs (and don´t think we should add
                          anything new, even a NA for that) and don´t
                          know which other sections we can create under
                          3.2 that can break the current equivalence,
                          which again was done for an easy comparison. </span><span
                          lang="ES"></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">So, what
                          would you suggest to “comply” with that? I
                          don´t have a clear idea.</span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards</span><span
                          lang="ES"></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="ES">De:</span></b><span
                              lang="ES"> Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA)
                              <<a href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dzacharo@harica.gr</a>>
                              <br>
                              <b>Enviado el:</b> jueves, 30 de noviembre
                              de 2023 13:16<br>
                              <b>Para:</b> Inigo Barreira <<a
                                href="mailto:Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com</a>>;
                              Tim Hollebeek <<a
                                href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</a>>;
                              CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public
                              Discussion List <<a
                                href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a>><br>
                              <b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Servercert-wg] SC-065:
                              Convert EVGs into RFC 3647 format
                              pre-ballot</span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
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style="line-height:12pt;background:rgb(250,250,3)"><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;color:black" lang="ES">CAUTION:
                            This email originated from outside of the
                            organization. Do not click links or open
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span
                            lang="ES">Inigo,<br>
                            <br>
                            As I am working to migrate the EV Guidelines
                            into the EV Code Signing Baseline
                            Requirements I took a look at the mapping
                            you provided for the EV Guidelines and
                            noticed that you are proposing migration of
                            EVG section 11.1 into section 3.2.1. This
                            particular section is labeled "Method to
                            prove possession of private key" in RFC 3647
                            so I don't think it is appropriate. I think
                            it's best to create new subsections under
                            3.2.<br>
                            <br>
                            Thanks,<br>
                            Dimitris.</span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES">On
                              8/9/2023 7:54 μ.μ., Inigo Barreira wrote:</span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES">Hi all, </span><span
                              lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> </span><span
                              lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Attached
                              you´ll find the EVG v1.8.0 with comments
                              in all sections indicating where those
                              sections, and the content, have been moved
                              into the new EVG RFC3647 format. So, with
                              this document, plus the redlined version,
                              I hope you can have now a clearer view of
                              the changes done.</span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Let me
                              know if you need anything else to clarify
                              the new version.</span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
                              lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards</span><span
                              lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
                              lang="ES"></span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="ES">De:</span></b><span
                                  lang="ES"> Inigo Barreira <a
href="mailto:Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com></a>
                                  <br>
                                  <b>Enviado el:</b> martes, 29 de
                                  agosto de 2023 17:06<br>
                                  <b>Para:</b> Tim Hollebeek <a
href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><tim.hollebeek@digicert.com></a>;
                                  Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <a
                                    href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"><dzacharo@harica.gr></a>;
                                  CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG
                                  Public Discussion List <a
href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><servercert-wg@cabforum.org></a><br>
                                  <b>Asunto:</b> RE: [Servercert-wg]
                                  SC-065: Convert EVGs into RFC 3647
                                  format pre-ballot</span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Thanks
                              Dimitris and Tim.</span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I did
                              something of that internally but didn´t
                              reflect on the document, so will try to
                              reproduce to have it clearer.</span><span
                              lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
                              lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">OTOH,
                              and as indicated in the PR, the whole
                              section 11 has been placed in section 3.2
                              keeping the rest of the numbering. So, for
                              example:</span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
                              lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">EVG                                    
                              EVG3647</span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">11.1                                   
                              3.2.1</span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">11.1.1                                
                              3.2.1.1</span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">11.1.2                                
                              3.2.1.2</span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">11.1.3                                
                              3.2.1.3</span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">11.2                                   
                              3.2.2</span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">11.2.1                                
                              3.2.2.1</span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">…..                                      
                              ….           </span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">11.13                                 
                              3.2.13</span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">11.14                                 
                              3.2.14</span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">11.14.1                              
                              3.2.14.1</span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">11.14.2                              
                              3.2.14.2</span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">11.14.3                              
                              3.2.14.3</span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
                              lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Hope
                              this can clarify the main difficult that I
                              found in the document, where to place it
                              and how.</span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
                              lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards</span><span
                              lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
                              lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <div>
                            <div
style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB">De:</span></b><span
                                  lang="EN-GB"> Tim Hollebeek <<a
href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</a>>
                                  <br>
                                  <b>Enviado el:</b> martes, 29 de
                                  agosto de 2023 16:59<br>
                                  <b>Para:</b> Dimitris Zacharopoulos
                                  (HARICA) <<a
                                    href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dzacharo@harica.gr</a>>;
                                  Inigo Barreira <<a
href="mailto:Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com</a>>;
                                  CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG
                                  Public Discussion List <<a
href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a>><br>
                                  <b>Asunto:</b> RE: [Servercert-wg]
                                  SC-065: Convert EVGs into RFC 3647
                                  format pre-ballot</span><span
                                  lang="ES"></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
                              lang="ES"></span></p>
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                            style="border:1pt solid black;padding:2pt">
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="line-height:12pt;background:rgb(250,250,3)"><span
                                style="font-size:10pt;color:black">CAUTION:
                                This email originated from outside of
                                the organization. Do not click links or
                                open attachments unless you recognize
                                the sender and know the content is safe.</span><span
                                lang="ES"></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span><span
                              lang="ES"></span></p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Yes, exactly.  I
                                would like to see a list that shows that
                                EVG-classic section 1.4 is now in
                                EVG-3647 section 4.1.  Then I can look
                                at where the new text landed, see how
                                the conversion was handled, we can all
                                verify that nothing was lost or left
                                out, etc.</span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span><span
                                lang="ES"></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Without that,
                                anyone attempting to review the document
                                is forced to recreate the mapping just
                                to figure out where everything went and
                                that nothing was missed or put in the
                                wrong place.  Redlines are not
                                sufficient when large amounts of text
                                are moving around to different places.</span><span
                                lang="ES"></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span><span
                                lang="ES"></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span>I’m saying this
                                because from my spot-checking, the
                                conversion appears to be pretty good,
                                and I’d like to be able to do a final
                                verification that it’s mostly correct so
                                I can endorse.</span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span><span
                                lang="ES"></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span>-Tim</span><span
                                lang="ES"></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span><span
                                lang="ES"></span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span>
                                      Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA)
                                      <</span><span lang="ES"><a
                                        href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                          lang="EN-US">dzacharo@harica.gr</span></a></span><span>>
                                      <br>
                                      <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 29,
                                      2023 7:58 AM<br>
                                      <b>To:</b> Inigo Barreira <</span><span
                                      lang="ES"><a
href="mailto:Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                          lang="EN-US">Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com</span></a></span><span>>;
                                      CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG
                                      Public Discussion List <</span><span
                                      lang="ES"><a
href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                          lang="EN-US">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</span></a></span><span>>;
                                      Tim Hollebeek <</span><span
                                      lang="ES"><a
href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                          lang="EN-US">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</span></a></span><span>><br>
                                      <b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                      [Servercert-wg] SC-065: Convert
                                      EVGs into RFC 3647 format
                                      pre-ballot</span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span><span
                                  lang="ES"></span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span>Hi
                                  Inigo,<br>
                                  <br>
                                  You can take some guidance from
                                  previous successful efforts to convert
                                  existing documents into RFC 3647
                                  format. The latest attempt was in the
                                  Code Signing BRs conversion in May
                                  2022. Check out the mapping document
                                  and the comments in the </span><span
                                  lang="ES"><a
href="https://lists.cabforum.org/pipermail/cscwg-public/2022-May/000795.html"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                      lang="EN-US">ballot discussion
                                      period</span></a></span><span>.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  For each existing section/paragraph,
                                  it would be nice to have a comment
                                  describing where that existing
                                  language will land in the converted
                                  document (destination). This will
                                  allow all existing text to be
                                  accounted for.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  During this process, you might
                                  encounter duplicate or redundant text
                                  which needs to be flagged accordingly.
                                  You might also get into some
                                  uncertainty as to which RFC3647
                                  section is a best fit for existing
                                  text that might require additional
                                  discussion. <br>
                                  <br>
                                  I hope this helps.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  Dimitris.</span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>On 29/8/2023
                                    12:42 μ.μ., Inigo Barreira via
                                    Servercert-wg wrote:</span><span
                                    lang="ES"></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <blockquote
                                style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Hi
                                    Tim,</span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
                                    lang="ES"></span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">See
                                    attached redlined and current
                                    versions. I just used what Martijn
                                    suggested yesterday but let me know
                                    if this is what you were looking
                                    for.</span><span lang="ES"></span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
                                    lang="ES"></span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards</span><span
                                    lang="ES"></span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
                                    lang="ES"></span></p>
                                <div>
                                  <div
style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>De:</span></b><span>
                                        Tim Hollebeek </span><span
                                        lang="ES"><a
href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                            lang="EN-US"><tim.hollebeek@digicert.com></span></a></span><span>
                                        <br>
                                        <b>Enviado el:</b> lunes, 28 de
                                        agosto de 2023 19:49<br>
                                        <b>Para:</b> Inigo Barreira </span><span
                                        lang="ES"><a
href="mailto:Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                            lang="EN-US"><Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com></span></a></span><span>;
                                        CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG
                                        Public Discussion List </span><span
                                        lang="ES"><a
href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                            lang="EN-US"><servercert-wg@cabforum.org></span></a></span><span><br>
                                        <b>Asunto:</b> RE: SC-065:
                                        Convert EVGs into RFC 3647
                                        format pre-ballot</span><span
                                        lang="ES"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span><span
                                    lang="ES"></span></p>
                                <div
style="border:1pt solid black;padding:2pt">
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="line-height:12pt;background:rgb(250,250,3)"><span
                                      style="font-size:10pt;color:black">CAUTION:
                                      This email originated from outside
                                      of the organization. Do not click
                                      links or open attachments unless
                                      you recognize the sender and know
                                      the content is safe.</span><span
                                      lang="ES"></span></p>
                                </div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span><span
                                    lang="ES"></span></p>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thanks for
                                      doing this Inigo … I know
                                      re-organizations like this are a
                                      lot of work and fall very much in
                                      the category of “important but not
                                      fun”.  So thanks for taking an
                                      initial stab at this.</span><span
                                      lang="ES"></span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span><span
                                      lang="ES"></span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Is there a
                                      mapping that shows where all the
                                      original text ended up?  I think
                                      that’s going to be essential for
                                      people to be able to review this. 
                                      I did some spot checking, and your
                                      conversion looks pretty good, but
                                      I wasn’t able to do a more
                                      detailed review without a mapping.</span><span
                                      lang="ES"></span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span><span
                                      lang="ES"></span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>-Tim</span><span
                                      lang="ES"></span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span><span
                                      lang="ES"></span></p>
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style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1.5pt solid blue;padding:0in 0in 0in 4pt">
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span>
                                            Servercert-wg <</span><span
                                            lang="ES"><a
href="mailto:servercert-wg-bounces@cabforum.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                lang="EN-US">servercert-wg-bounces@cabforum.org</span></a></span><span>>
                                            <b>On Behalf Of </b>Inigo
                                            Barreira via Servercert-wg<br>
                                            <b>Sent:</b> Monday, August
                                            28, 2023 5:20 AM<br>
                                            <b>To:</b> CA/B Forum Server
                                            Certificate WG Public
                                            Discussion List <</span><span
                                            lang="ES"><a
href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                lang="EN-US">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</span></a></span><span>><br>
                                            <b>Subject:</b>
                                            [Servercert-wg] SC-065:
                                            Convert EVGs into RFC 3647
                                            format pre-ballot</span><span
                                            lang="ES"></span></p>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span><span
                                        lang="ES"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hello,</span><span
                                        lang="ES"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>The
                                        current Extended Validation
                                        Guidelines (EVGs) are written in
                                        a non-standardized format. For
                                        many years it has been discussed
                                        to convert this document into
                                        the RFC 3647 format and follow
                                        the standardized model for this
                                        type of documents. </span><span
                                        lang="ES"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span><span
                                        lang="ES"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Given
                                        that this has been known for
                                        several years, I have prepared
                                        the following ballot text, which
                                        converts the EVGs into the RFC
                                        3647 format:</span><span
                                        lang="ES"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"><a
href="https://url.avanan.click/v2/___https:/github.com/cabforum/servercert/pull/440___.YXAzOmRpZ2ljZXJ0OmE6bzoyOGIxNWVhZGVmZDlkZTM0NjQzZTA3YTlmYTA2MzM5YTo2OmExZWM6NGZmMGEzM2U0ZWZjOTU4MTM1NWRkNjU3ZDE5YjU3Y2YxNzg1NWU0ZTVjYzkzY2NjM2M0MWU5MzEyYzJmZTQ0NzpoOkY"
title="Protected by Avanan: https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/pull/440"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                            lang="EN-GB">EVGs based on
                                            RFC3647 by barrini · Pull
                                            Request #440 ·
                                            cabforum/servercert
                                            (github.com)</span></a></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span><span
                                        lang="ES"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>I am
                                        currently seeking two endorsers
                                        as well as any feedback on the
                                        ballot content itself (wording,
                                        effective dates, etc.).</span><span
                                        lang="ES"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span><span
                                        lang="ES"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thanks,</span><span
                                        lang="ES"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span><span
                                        lang="ES"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span> </span><span
                                    lang="ES"></span></p>
                                <pre><span>_______________________________________________</span><span
                                lang="ES"></span></pre>
                                <pre><span>Servercert-wg mailing list</span><span
                                lang="ES"></span></pre>
                                <pre><span lang="ES"><a
                                href="mailto:Servercert-wg@cabforum.org"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                lang="EN-US">Servercert-wg@cabforum.org</span></a></span></pre>
                                <pre><span lang="ES"><a
href="https://lists.cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/servercert-wg"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                lang="EN-US">https://lists.cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/servercert-wg</span></a></span></pre>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span><span
                                  lang="ES"></span></p>
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href="https://lists.cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/servercert-wg"
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