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Inigo,<br>
<br>
As I am working to migrate the EV Guidelines into the EV Code
Signing Baseline Requirements I took a look at the mapping you
provided for the EV Guidelines and noticed that you are proposing
migration of EVG section 11.1 into section 3.2.1. This particular
section is labeled "Method to prove possession of private key" in
RFC 3647 so I don't think it is appropriate. I think it's best to
create new subsections under 3.2.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Dimitris.<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/9/2023 7:54 μ.μ., Inigo Barreira
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi
all, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">Attached you´ll find the EVG v1.8.0 with
comments in all sections indicating where those sections,
and the content, have been moved into the new EVG RFC3647
format. So, with this document, plus the redlined version, I
hope you can have now a clearer view of the changes done.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">Let me know if you need anything else to
clarify the new version.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>De:</b> Inigo Barreira
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com"><Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com></a> <br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> martes, 29 de agosto de 2023 17:06<br>
<b>Para:</b> Tim Hollebeek
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"><tim.hollebeek@digicert.com></a>; Dimitris Zacharopoulos
(HARICA) <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr"><dzacharo@harica.gr></a>; CA/B Forum Server
Certificate WG Public Discussion List
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org"><servercert-wg@cabforum.org></a><br>
<b>Asunto:</b> RE: [Servercert-wg] SC-065: Convert EVGs
into RFC 3647 format pre-ballot<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">Thanks Dimitris and Tim.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">I did something of that internally but didn´t
reflect on the document, so will try to reproduce to have it
clearer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">OTOH, and as indicated in the PR, the whole
section 11 has been placed in section 3.2 keeping the rest
of the numbering. So, for example:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">EVG EVG3647<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">11.1 3.2.1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">11.1.1 3.2.1.1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">11.1.2 3.2.1.2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">11.1.3 3.2.1.3<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">11.2 3.2.2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">11.2.1 3.2.2.1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">…..
…. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">11.13 3.2.13<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">11.14 3.2.14<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">11.14.1 3.2.14.1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">11.14.2 3.2.14.2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">11.14.3 3.2.14.3<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">Hope this can clarify the main difficult that I
found in the document, where to place it and how.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB">De:</span></b><span
lang="EN-GB"> Tim Hollebeek <<a
href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</a>>
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<b>Enviado el:</b> martes, 29 de agosto de 2023 16:59<br>
<b>Para:</b> Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <<a
href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dzacharo@harica.gr</a>>;
Inigo Barreira <<a
href="mailto:Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com</a>>;
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<b>Asunto:</b> RE: [Servercert-wg] SC-065: Convert EVGs
into RFC 3647 format pre-ballot<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Yes, exactly. I would
like to see a list that shows that EVG-classic section 1.4
is now in EVG-3647 section 4.1. Then I can look at where
the new text landed, see how the conversion was handled,
we can all verify that nothing was lost or left out, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Without that, anyone
attempting to review the document is forced to recreate
the mapping just to figure out where everything went and
that nothing was missed or put in the wrong place.
Redlines are not sufficient when large amounts of text are
moving around to different places.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I’m saying this
because from my spot-checking, the conversion appears to
be pretty good, and I’d like to be able to do a final
verification that it’s mostly correct so I can endorse.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <</span><a
href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">dzacharo@harica.gr</span></a><span
lang="EN-US">> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 29, 2023 7:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Inigo Barreira <</span><a
href="mailto:Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com</span></a><span
lang="EN-US">>; CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG
Public Discussion List <</span><a
href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</span></a><span
lang="EN-US">>; Tim Hollebeek <</span><a
href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</span></a><span
lang="EN-US">><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Servercert-wg] SC-065: Convert
EVGs into RFC 3647 format pre-ballot<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
lang="EN-US">Hi Inigo,<br>
<br>
You can take some guidance from previous successful
efforts to convert existing documents into RFC 3647
format. The latest attempt was in the Code Signing BRs
conversion in May 2022. Check out the mapping document
and the comments in the </span><a
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moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">ballot
discussion period</span></a><span lang="EN-US">.<br>
<br>
For each existing section/paragraph, it would be nice to
have a comment describing where that existing language
will land in the converted document (destination). This
will allow all existing text to be accounted for.<br>
<br>
During this process, you might encounter duplicate or
redundant text which needs to be flagged accordingly.
You might also get into some uncertainty as to which
RFC3647 section is a best fit for existing text that
might require additional discussion. <br>
<br>
I hope this helps.<br>
<br>
<br>
Dimitris.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On 29/8/2023 12:42
μ.μ., Inigo Barreira via Servercert-wg wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Hi Tim,</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">See attached
redlined and current versions. I just used what
Martijn suggested yesterday but let me know if this is
what you were looking for.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">De:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> Tim Hollebeek </span><a
href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US"><tim.hollebeek@digicert.com></span></a><span
lang="EN-US"> <br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> lunes, 28 de agosto de 2023
19:49<br>
<b>Para:</b> Inigo Barreira </span><a
href="mailto:Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US"><Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com></span></a><span
lang="EN-US">; CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG
Public Discussion List </span><a
href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US"><servercert-wg@cabforum.org></span></a><span
lang="EN-US"><br>
<b>Asunto:</b> RE: SC-065: Convert EVGs into RFC
3647 format pre-ballot<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks for doing
this Inigo … I know re-organizations like this are a
lot of work and fall very much in the category of
“important but not fun”. So thanks for taking an
initial stab at this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Is there a
mapping that shows where all the original text ended
up? I think that’s going to be essential for people
to be able to review this. I did some spot
checking, and your conversion looks pretty good, but
I wasn’t able to do a more detailed review without a
mapping.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> Servercert-wg <</span><a
href="mailto:servercert-wg-bounces@cabforum.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
lang="EN-US">servercert-wg-bounces@cabforum.org</span></a><span
lang="EN-US">> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Inigo
Barreira via Servercert-wg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 28, 2023 5:20 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG
Public Discussion List <</span><a
href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</span></a><span
lang="EN-US">><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Servercert-wg] SC-065:
Convert EVGs into RFC 3647 format pre-ballot<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hello,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The current
Extended Validation Guidelines (EVGs) are written
in a non-standardized format. For many years it
has been discussed to convert this document into
the RFC 3647 format and follow the standardized
model for this type of documents. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Given that
this has been known for several years, I have
prepared the following ballot text, which converts
the EVGs into the RFC 3647 format:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
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title="Protected by Avanan: https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/pull/440"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-GB">EVGs
based on RFC3647 by barrini · Pull Request #440
· cabforum/servercert (github.com)</span></a><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I am currently
seeking two endorsers as well as any feedback on
the ballot content itself (wording, effective
dates, etc.).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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