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    Inigo,<br>
    <br>
    As I am working to migrate the EV Guidelines into the EV Code
    Signing Baseline Requirements I took a look at the mapping you
    provided for the EV Guidelines and noticed that you are proposing
    migration of EVG section 11.1 into section 3.2.1. This particular
    section is labeled "Method to prove possession of private key" in
    RFC 3647 so I don't think it is appropriate. I think it's best to
    create new subsections under 3.2.<br>
    <br>
    Thanks,<br>
    Dimitris.<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/9/2023 7:54 μ.μ., Inigo Barreira
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi
            all, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">Attached you´ll find the EVG v1.8.0 with
            comments in all sections indicating where those sections,
            and the content, have been moved into the new EVG RFC3647
            format. So, with this document, plus the redlined version, I
            hope you can have now a clearer view of the changes done.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">Let me know if you need anything else to
            clarify the new version.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>De:</b> Inigo Barreira
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com"><Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com></a> <br>
              <b>Enviado el:</b> martes, 29 de agosto de 2023 17:06<br>
              <b>Para:</b> Tim Hollebeek
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"><tim.hollebeek@digicert.com></a>; Dimitris Zacharopoulos
              (HARICA) <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr"><dzacharo@harica.gr></a>; CA/B Forum Server
              Certificate WG Public Discussion List
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org"><servercert-wg@cabforum.org></a><br>
              <b>Asunto:</b> RE: [Servercert-wg] SC-065: Convert EVGs
              into RFC 3647 format pre-ballot<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">Thanks Dimitris and Tim.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">I did something of that internally but didn´t
            reflect on the document, so will try to reproduce to have it
            clearer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">OTOH, and as indicated in the PR, the whole
            section 11 has been placed in section 3.2 keeping the rest
            of the numbering. So, for example:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">EVG                                     EVG3647<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">11.1                                    3.2.1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">11.1.1                                 3.2.1.1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">11.1.2                                 3.2.1.2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">11.1.3                                 3.2.1.3<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">11.2                                    3.2.2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">11.2.1                                 3.2.2.1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">…..                                      
            ….           <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">11.13                                  3.2.13<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">11.14                                  3.2.14<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">11.14.1                               3.2.14.1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">11.14.2                               3.2.14.2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">11.14.3                               3.2.14.3<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">Hope this can clarify the main difficult that I
            found in the document, where to place it and how.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB">De:</span></b><span
                lang="EN-GB"> Tim Hollebeek <<a
                  href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</a>>
                <br>
                <b>Enviado el:</b> martes, 29 de agosto de 2023 16:59<br>
                <b>Para:</b> Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <<a
                  href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dzacharo@harica.gr</a>>;
                Inigo Barreira <<a
                  href="mailto:Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com</a>>;
                CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List
                <<a href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a>><br>
                <b>Asunto:</b> RE: [Servercert-wg] SC-065: Convert EVGs
                into RFC 3647 format pre-ballot<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            style="line-height:12.0pt;background:#FAFA03"><span
              style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">CAUTION:
              This email originated from outside of the organization. Do
              not click links or open attachments unless you recognize
              the sender and know the content is safe.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Yes, exactly.  I would
              like to see a list that shows that EVG-classic section 1.4
              is now in EVG-3647 section 4.1.  Then I can look at where
              the new text landed, see how the conversion was handled,
              we can all verify that nothing was lost or left out, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Without that, anyone
              attempting to review the document is forced to recreate
              the mapping just to figure out where everything went and
              that nothing was missed or put in the wrong place. 
              Redlines are not sufficient when large amounts of text are
              moving around to different places.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I’m saying this
              because from my spot-checking, the conversion appears to
              be pretty good, and I’d like to be able to do a final
              verification that it’s mostly correct so I can endorse.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                    lang="EN-US"> Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <</span><a
                    href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr"
                    moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">dzacharo@harica.gr</span></a><span
                    lang="EN-US">> <br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 29, 2023 7:58 AM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Inigo Barreira <</span><a
                    href="mailto:Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com</span></a><span
                    lang="EN-US">>; CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG
                    Public Discussion List <</span><a
                    href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org"
                    moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</span></a><span
                    lang="EN-US">>; Tim Hollebeek <</span><a
                    href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</span></a><span
                    lang="EN-US">><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Servercert-wg] SC-065: Convert
                    EVGs into RFC 3647 format pre-ballot<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                lang="EN-US">Hi Inigo,<br>
                <br>
                You can take some guidance from previous successful
                efforts to convert existing documents into RFC 3647
                format. The latest attempt was in the Code Signing BRs
                conversion in May 2022. Check out the mapping document
                and the comments in the </span><a
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                moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">ballot
                  discussion period</span></a><span lang="EN-US">.<br>
                <br>
                For each existing section/paragraph, it would be nice to
                have a comment describing where that existing language
                will land in the converted document (destination). This
                will allow all existing text to be accounted for.<br>
                <br>
                During this process, you might encounter duplicate or
                redundant text which needs to be flagged accordingly.
                You might also get into some uncertainty as to which
                RFC3647 section is a best fit for existing text that
                might require additional discussion. <br>
                <br>
                I hope this helps.<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                Dimitris.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On 29/8/2023 12:42
                  μ.μ., Inigo Barreira via Servercert-wg wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Hi Tim,</span><span
                  lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
                  lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">See attached
                  redlined and current versions. I just used what
                  Martijn suggested yesterday but let me know if this is
                  what you were looking for.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
                  lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards</span><span
                  lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
                  lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">De:</span></b><span
                      lang="EN-US"> Tim Hollebeek </span><a
                      href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US"><tim.hollebeek@digicert.com></span></a><span
                      lang="EN-US"> <br>
                      <b>Enviado el:</b> lunes, 28 de agosto de 2023
                      19:49<br>
                      <b>Para:</b> Inigo Barreira </span><a
                      href="mailto:Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US"><Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com></span></a><span
                      lang="EN-US">; CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG
                      Public Discussion List </span><a
                      href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US"><servercert-wg@cabforum.org></span></a><span
                      lang="EN-US"><br>
                      <b>Asunto:</b> RE: SC-065: Convert EVGs into RFC
                      3647 format pre-ballot<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks for doing
                    this Inigo … I know re-organizations like this are a
                    lot of work and fall very much in the category of
                    “important but not fun”.  So thanks for taking an
                    initial stab at this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Is there a
                    mapping that shows where all the original text ended
                    up?  I think that’s going to be essential for people
                    to be able to review this.  I did some spot
                    checking, and your conversion looks pretty good, but
                    I wasn’t able to do a more detailed review without a
                    mapping.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                          lang="EN-US"> Servercert-wg <</span><a
href="mailto:servercert-wg-bounces@cabforum.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                            lang="EN-US">servercert-wg-bounces@cabforum.org</span></a><span
                          lang="EN-US">> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Inigo
                          Barreira via Servercert-wg<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 28, 2023 5:20 AM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG
                          Public Discussion List <</span><a
                          href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</span></a><span
                          lang="EN-US">><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> [Servercert-wg] SC-065:
                          Convert EVGs into RFC 3647 format pre-ballot<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hello,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The current
                      Extended Validation Guidelines (EVGs) are written
                      in a non-standardized format. For many years it
                      has been discussed to convert this document into
                      the RFC 3647 format and follow the standardized
                      model for this type of documents. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Given that
                      this has been known for several years, I have
                      prepared the following ballot text, which converts
                      the EVGs into the RFC 3647 format:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furl.avanan.click%2Fv2%2F___https%3A%2Fgithub.com%2Fcabforum%2Fservercert%2Fpull%2F440___.YXAzOmRpZ2ljZXJ0OmE6bzoyOGIxNWVhZGVmZDlkZTM0NjQzZTA3YTlmYTA2MzM5YTo2OmExZWM6NGZmMGEzM2U0ZWZjOTU4MTM1NWRkNjU3ZDE5YjU3Y2YxNzg1NWU0ZTVjYzkzY2NjM2M0MWU5MzEyYzJmZTQ0NzpoOkY&data=05%7C01%7CInigo.Barreira%40sectigo.com%7C745e9a7716ad496fd2c708dba8a083f5%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C638289179605518540%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=2jhio9I%2BtrHrcID7wDE%2Bd0foKLLpWsWxg8JLyoaRRZs%3D&reserved=0"
title="Protected by Avanan: https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/pull/440"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-GB">EVGs
                        based on RFC3647 by barrini · Pull Request #440
                        · cabforum/servercert (github.com)</span></a><span
                      lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I am currently
                      seeking two endorsers as well as any feedback on
                      the ballot content itself (wording, effective
                      dates, etc.).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <pre><span lang="EN-US">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
              <pre><span lang="EN-US">Servercert-wg mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
              <pre><a href="mailto:Servercert-wg@cabforum.org"
              moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">Servercert-wg@cabforum.org</span></a><span
              lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.cabforum.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fservercert-wg&data=05%7C01%7CInigo.Barreira%40sectigo.com%7C745e9a7716ad496fd2c708dba8a083f5%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C638289179605675225%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=PEKvI1ROnN3jYvucjp92GYalUTrtp0nEGKL7fj0WiJ4%3D&reserved=0"
              moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">https://lists.cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/servercert-wg</span></a><span
              lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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