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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Hi Inigo,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Comments inline.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>> </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>the chair of the CWG can perform some changes that do not change anything without requiring a ballot procedure, so I guess there´s nothing to vote/discuss there<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Perhaps I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying, but changing the formatting/content will require a new version of the ballot with associated new discussion period and voting period. This should be clear from Bylaws 2.4 (8), as modifying arbitrary formatting does not fall within the allowed set of post-voting changes that can be performed by the (Vice) Chair.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>> </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The change proposed by Ryan is just a simple issue with the format and it´s not changing the content nor anything else.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>Some members do see the formatting of these documents as significant and will vote accordingly. See [1] for a recent example.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>I agree with Dimitris: if this formatting change is to be included, then the ballot redline needs to be updated to incorporate the changes and the appropriate commits included in the immutable link. To do otherwise will likely result in confusion, as members will be unsure on what they’re voting on.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>Corey<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>[1] <a href="https://lists.cabforum.org/pipermail/cscwg-public/2022-May/000810.html">https://lists.cabforum.org/pipermail/cscwg-public/2022-May/000810.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> Servercert-wg <servercert-wg-bounces@cabforum.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Inigo Barreira via Servercert-wg<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 19, 2023 7:56 AM<br><b>To:</b> Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <dzacharo@harica.gr>; CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <servercert-wg@cabforum.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Servercert-wg] Voting period begins: Ballot SC-066: Fall 2023 Clean-up v2<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Well, my interpretation is that this is not changing the ballot itself, the redline still remains the same (there´s no change in that redline) and only if this ballot passes, at the end, and before publishing, and considered section 2.4, item 8, the chair of the CWG can perform some changes that do not change anything without requiring a ballot procedure, so I guess there´s nothing to vote/discuss there. The change proposed by Ryan is just a simple issue with the format and it´s not changing the content nor anything else.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt'>De:</span></b><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt'> Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <<a href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr">dzacharo@harica.gr</a>> <br><b>Enviado el:</b> jueves, 19 de octubre de 2023 13:26<br><b>Para:</b> Inigo Barreira <<a href="mailto:Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com">Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com</a>>; CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a>><br><b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Servercert-wg] Voting period begins: Ballot SC-066: Fall 2023 Clean-up v2<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:solid black 1.0pt;padding:2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:12.0pt;background:#FAFA03'><span lang=ES style='color:black'>CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES>On 19/10/2023 12:43 μ.μ., Inigo Barreira via Servercert-wg wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>The voting period for this ballot has started. Note that </span><span lang=ES><a href="https://url.avanan.click/v2/___https:/github.com/cabforum/servercert/issues/462___.YXAzOmRpZ2ljZXJ0OmE6bzpkNzA5N2FlMjBlMDk4NmRkY2NiY2JmNjRlMGI1NDJhOTo2OmQwZGU6ODNmNGU4MzdlYjdlM2NkMjk1MjZhZjYzMGE3N2FjNGQ3MjQzOWRkZDNmNjJhODRlMjIwMDViZGEwYjk1OTg3YzpoOkY" title="Protected by Avanan: https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/issues/462"><span lang=EN-GB>Inconsistent document formatting (Markdown vs PDF) · Issue #462 · cabforum/servercert (github.com)</span></a> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>will be also included (it´s a format issue with no content change).</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt'><br><br>Inigo,<br><br>You started the voting period on a specific ballot that has a specific <a href="https://url.avanan.click/v2/___https:/github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/90a98dc7c1131eaab01af411968aa7330d315b9b...b72da7a87955aed81d14f9fe96ee222098fd4264___.YXAzOmRpZ2ljZXJ0OmE6bzpkNzA5N2FlMjBlMDk4NmRkY2NiY2JmNjRlMGI1NDJhOTo2OjJmNTc6MmVjNGFmY2RlODE2YjY5ZmMyODg2NGIxZjJlODMzNmFiN2I3ZGJlZjBkNGI0YTlkMGQxYzdkYmUzMmU5YTY3NzpoOkY" title="Protected by Avanan: https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/90a98dc7c1131eaab01af411968aa7330d315b9b...b72da7a87955aed81d14f9fe96ee222098fd4264">redline</a>. That means you cannot make any changes without invoking a new 7-days discussion period. Unfortunately, since you started the voting period there is nothing you can do but either let the ballot fail or withdraw it. Withdrawing a ballot is a new addition to the Bylaws in section 2.3 (4)<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt'>A proposer may withdraw a ballot containing defective language at any point during the voting period <o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt'><br><br>According to the Bylaws, the voting period ends 7 days after the voting starts, so that would be 7 days from TODAY (2023-10-19), which means that the voting ends at <b>2023-10-26</b>. The information at the bottom of the page should have been updated.<br><br>I'd appreciate a confirmation from at least another person that is familiar with the Bylaws about whether my interpretation is accurate or not.<br><br><br>Best regards,<br>Dimitris.<br><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span></b><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Purpose of Ballot SC-66 v2</span></b><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>This ballot proposes updates to the Baseline Requirements for the Issuance and Management of Publicly-Trusted Certificates related to the issues and typos that have happened due to the different updates of the document. No new normative requirements are introduced by the changes in this ballot.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Notes: </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>The majority of these issues have been documented in GitHub and have therefore labeled as cleanup and have been the basis for this update.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Some have been provided by emails to the CABF lists and included in this reviewed version because were typos.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>The following motion has been proposed by Iñigo Barreira of Sectigo. And, endorsed by Aaron Gable of Let´s Encrypt<span style='color:red'> </span>and Clint Wilson of Apple.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>— Motion Begins —</span></b><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>This ballot modifies the “Baseline Requirements for the Issuance and Management of Publicly-Trusted Certificates” (“Baseline Requirements”), based on Version 2.0.1.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>MODIFY the Baseline Requirements as specified in the following Redline: </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES><a href="https://url.avanan.click/v2/___https:/github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/90a98dc7c1131eaab01af411968aa7330d315b9b...b72da7a87955aed81d14f9fe96ee222098fd4264___.YXAzOmRpZ2ljZXJ0OmE6bzpkNzA5N2FlMjBlMDk4NmRkY2NiY2JmNjRlMGI1NDJhOTo2OjAwZTI6ZmMzNzJjNWNiNmIwMzhkYmQ3NjFmMjgzNmQ2NTNhZmExZGI3YzZkOWFjOTYwNDQ5MGNkZDg2MjgxNWU5YmI2ODpoOkY" title="Protected by Avanan: https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/90a98dc7c1131eaab01af411968aa7330d315b9b...b72da7a87955aed81d14f9fe96ee222098fd4264"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt'>https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/90a98dc7c1131eaab01af411968aa7330d315b9b...b72da7a87955aed81d14f9fe96ee222098fd4264</span></a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>— Motion Ends —</span></b><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>This ballot proposes a Final Maintenance Guideline. The procedure for approval of this ballot is as follows:</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Discussion (7+ days)</span></b><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>• Start time: 10-10-2023 22:00:00 UTC</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>• End time: 17-10-2023 22:00:00 UTC</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Vote for approval (7 days)</span></b><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>• Start time: 18-10-2023 22:00:00 UTC</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>• End time: 25-10-2023 22:00:00 UTC</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><pre><span lang=ES>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=ES>Servercert-wg mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=ES><a href="mailto:Servercert-wg@cabforum.org">Servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=ES><a href="https://url.avanan.click/v2/___https:/lists.cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/servercert-wg___.YXAzOmRpZ2ljZXJ0OmE6bzpkNzA5N2FlMjBlMDk4NmRkY2NiY2JmNjRlMGI1NDJhOTo2OmQyMGU6MTZiNGE4NmE1MTk4MjNmZTlhMzU2Yzk3NDA4ZTA0NDRlYTdjMDMzMjAxODliMzQ0NWI2ZTQ1YjRmZjk4OWFmNTpoOkY" title="Protected by Avanan: https://lists.cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/servercert-wg">https://lists.cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/servercert-wg</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>