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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=ES link="#0563C1" vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks Dimitris and Tim.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I did something of that internally but didn$B!-(Bt reflect on the document, so will try to reproduce to have it clearer.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>OTOH, and as indicated in the PR, the whole section 11 has been placed in section 3.2 keeping the rest of the numbering. So, for example:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>EVG EVG3647<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>11.1 3.2.1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>11.1.1 3.2.1.1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>11.1.2 3.2.1.2<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>11.1.3 3.2.1.3<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>11.2 3.2.2<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>11.2.1 3.2.2.1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>$B!D(B.. $B!D(B. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>11.13 3.2.13<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>11.14 3.2.14<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>11.14.1 3.2.14.1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>11.14.2 3.2.14.2<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>11.14.3 3.2.14.3<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hope this can clarify the main difficult that I found in the document, where to place it and how.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-GB>De:</span></b><span lang=EN-GB> Tim Hollebeek <tim.hollebeek@digicert.com> <br><b>Enviado el:</b> martes, 29 de agosto de 2023 16:59<br><b>Para:</b> Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <dzacharo@harica.gr>; Inigo Barreira <Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com>; CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <servercert-wg@cabforum.org><br><b>Asunto:</b> RE: [Servercert-wg] SC-065: Convert EVGs into RFC 3647 format pre-ballot<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:solid black 1.0pt;padding:2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:12.0pt;background:#FAFA03'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Yes, exactly. I would like to see a list that shows that EVG-classic section 1.4 is now in EVG-3647 section 4.1. Then I can look at where the new text landed, see how the conversion was handled, we can all verify that nothing was lost or left out, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Without that, anyone attempting to review the document is forced to recreate the mapping just to figure out where everything went and that nothing was missed or put in the wrong place. Redlines are not sufficient when large amounts of text are moving around to different places.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I$B!G(Bm saying this because from my spot-checking, the conversion appears to be pretty good, and I$B!G(Bd like to be able to do a final verification that it$B!G(Bs mostly correct so I can endorse.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>-Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <</span><a href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr"><span lang=EN-US>dzacharo@harica.gr</span></a><span lang=EN-US>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 29, 2023 7:58 AM<br><b>To:</b> Inigo Barreira <</span><a href="mailto:Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com"><span lang=EN-US>Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com</span></a><span lang=EN-US>>; CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <</span><a href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org"><span lang=EN-US>servercert-wg@cabforum.org</span></a><span lang=EN-US>>; Tim Hollebeek <</span><a href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"><span lang=EN-US>tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</span></a><span lang=EN-US>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Servercert-wg] SC-065: Convert EVGs into RFC 3647 format pre-ballot<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>Hi Inigo,<br><br>You can take some guidance from previous successful efforts to convert existing documents into RFC 3647 format. The latest attempt was in the Code Signing BRs conversion in May 2022. Check out the mapping document and the comments in the </span><a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.cabforum.org%2Fpipermail%2Fcscwg-public%2F2022-May%2F000795.html&data=05%7C01%7CInigo.Barreira%40sectigo.com%7C745e9a7716ad496fd2c708dba8a083f5%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C638289179605518540%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=I%2FvFPk7GebgbEFSqcHvazeciYyB7YrMV8iU%2FaWjzs8Y%3D&reserved=0"><span lang=EN-US>ballot discussion period</span></a><span lang=EN-US>.<br><br>For each existing section/paragraph, it would be nice to have a comment describing where that existing language will land in the converted document (destination). This will allow all existing text to be accounted for.<br><br>During this process, you might encounter duplicate or redundant text which needs to be flagged accordingly. You might also get into some uncertainty as to which RFC3647 section is a best fit for existing text that might require additional discussion. <br><br>I hope this helps.<br><br><br>Dimitris.<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>On 29/8/2023 12:42 $B&L(B.$B&L(B., Inigo Barreira via Servercert-wg wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Hi Tim,</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>See attached redlined and current versions. I just used what Martijn suggested yesterday but let me know if this is what you were looking for.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Regards</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>De:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Tim Hollebeek </span><a href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"><span lang=EN-US><tim.hollebeek@digicert.com></span></a><span lang=EN-US> <br><b>Enviado el:</b> lunes, 28 de agosto de 2023 19:49<br><b>Para:</b> Inigo Barreira </span><a href="mailto:Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com"><span lang=EN-US><Inigo.Barreira@sectigo.com></span></a><span lang=EN-US>; CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List </span><a href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org"><span lang=EN-US><servercert-wg@cabforum.org></span></a><span lang=EN-US><br><b>Asunto:</b> RE: SC-065: Convert EVGs into RFC 3647 format pre-ballot<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:solid black 1.0pt;padding:2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:12.0pt;background:#FAFA03'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Thanks for doing this Inigo $B!D(B I know re-organizations like this are a lot of work and fall very much in the category of $B!H(Bimportant but not fun$B!I(B. So thanks for taking an initial stab at this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Is there a mapping that shows where all the original text ended up? I think that$B!G(Bs going to be essential for people to be able to review this. I did some spot checking, and your conversion looks pretty good, but I wasn$B!G(Bt able to do a more detailed review without a mapping.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>-Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Servercert-wg <</span><a href="mailto:servercert-wg-bounces@cabforum.org"><span lang=EN-US>servercert-wg-bounces@cabforum.org</span></a><span lang=EN-US>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Inigo Barreira via Servercert-wg<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 28, 2023 5:20 AM<br><b>To:</b> CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <</span><a href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org"><span lang=EN-US>servercert-wg@cabforum.org</span></a><span lang=EN-US>><br><b>Subject:</b> [Servercert-wg] SC-065: Convert EVGs into RFC 3647 format pre-ballot<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Hello,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>The current Extended Validation Guidelines (EVGs) are written in a non-standardized format. For many years it has been discussed to convert this document into the RFC 3647 format and follow the standardized model for this type of documents. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Given that this has been known for several years, I have prepared the following ballot text, which converts the EVGs into the RFC 3647 format:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furl.avanan.click%2Fv2%2F___https%3A%2Fgithub.com%2Fcabforum%2Fservercert%2Fpull%2F440___.YXAzOmRpZ2ljZXJ0OmE6bzoyOGIxNWVhZGVmZDlkZTM0NjQzZTA3YTlmYTA2MzM5YTo2OmExZWM6NGZmMGEzM2U0ZWZjOTU4MTM1NWRkNjU3ZDE5YjU3Y2YxNzg1NWU0ZTVjYzkzY2NjM2M0MWU5MzEyYzJmZTQ0NzpoOkY&data=05%7C01%7CInigo.Barreira%40sectigo.com%7C745e9a7716ad496fd2c708dba8a083f5%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C638289179605518540%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=2jhio9I%2BtrHrcID7wDE%2Bd0foKLLpWsWxg8JLyoaRRZs%3D&reserved=0" title="Protected by Avanan: https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/pull/440"><span lang=EN-GB>EVGs based on RFC3647 by barrini · Pull Request #440 · cabforum/servercert (github.com)</span></a><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I am currently seeking two endorsers as well as any feedback on the ballot content itself (wording, effective dates, etc.).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><pre><span lang=EN-US>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>Servercert-wg mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Servercert-wg@cabforum.org"><span lang=EN-US>Servercert-wg@cabforum.org</span></a><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.cabforum.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fservercert-wg&data=05%7C01%7CInigo.Barreira%40sectigo.com%7C745e9a7716ad496fd2c708dba8a083f5%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C638289179605675225%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=PEKvI1ROnN3jYvucjp92GYalUTrtp0nEGKL7fj0WiJ4%3D&reserved=0"><span lang=EN-US>https://lists.cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/servercert-wg</span></a><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>