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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Yes, the language here was added rather quickly and was written with the United States in mind, as the original draft language did not consider countries
that register organizations primarily at the subdivision level. That$B!G(Bs how the incorrect assumption that ISO 3166-2 subdivisions are always two letters snuck in.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Servercert-wg <servercert-wg-bounces@cabforum.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Corey Bonnell via Servercert-wg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 4, 2023 5:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul van Brouwershaven <Paul.vanBrouwershaven@entrust.com>; SMIME Certificate Working Group <smcwg-public@cabforum.org>; Bruce Morton <bruce.morton@entrust.com>; Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <dzacharo@harica.gr><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Servercert-wg] [Smcwg-public] [EXTERNAL] Re: orgID - Government entities<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I think it correctly states ISO 3166-2 but it incorrectly assumes that the subdivision has a length of two.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Looks like this is an error that was originally introduced in the EVGs for orgID. EVG 9.2.8 says:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">$B!H(BFor the NTR Registration Scheme identifier, if required under Section 9.2.4, a 2 character ISO<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">3166$B!>(B2 identifier for the subdivision (state or province) of the nation in which the Registration<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Scheme is operated, preceded by plus $B!H(B+$B!I(B (0x2B (ASCII), U+002B (UTF$B!>(B8));$B!I(B<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We should fix that too (CC$B!G(Bing servercert-wg).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Corey<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Smcwg-public <<a href="mailto:smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org">smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul van Brouwershaven via Smcwg-public<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 4, 2023 5:03 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bruce Morton <<a href="mailto:bruce.morton@entrust.com">bruce.morton@entrust.com</a>>; SMIME Certificate Working Group <<a href="mailto:smcwg-public@cabforum.org">smcwg-public@cabforum.org</a>>; Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <<a href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr">dzacharo@harica.gr</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Smcwg-public] [EXTERNAL] Re: orgID - Government entities<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">ISO 3166-1 is the country code<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">ISO 3166-2 is the subdivision code<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">S/MIME BR 7.1.4.2.2.d. Note 2 states:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><i><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">$B!H(BFor Government Entities, the CA SHALL enter the Registration Scheme identifier $B!F(BGOV$B!G(B followed by the 2 character ISO 3166 country code for the nation
in which the Government Entity is located. <u><span style="background:yellow">If the Government Entity is verified at a
<b>subdivision</b> (state or province)</span></u> level, then a plus $B!H(B+$B!I(B (0x2B (ASCII), U+002B (UTF$B!>(B8)) followed by a
<b><u><span style="background:red">2 character</span></u></b><u><span style="background:red"> ISO 3166$B!>(B2</span></u><span style="background:white"> identifier
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I think it correctly states ISO 3166-2 but it incorrectly assumes that the subdivision has a length of two.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 4, 2023 07:37<br>
<b>To:</b> Bruce Morton <<a href="mailto:Bruce.Morton@entrust.com">Bruce.Morton@entrust.com</a>>; SMIME Certificate Working Group <<a href="mailto:smcwg-public@cabforum.org">smcwg-public@cabforum.org</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">It should be ISO 3166-1 for the alpha-2 character code. This was probably an oversight.<br>
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Stephen, is this something we could add to the upcoming ballot with fixes?<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Dimitris.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 30/3/2023 8:24 <span lang="JA">$B&L(B</span>.<span lang="JA">$B&L(B</span>., Bruce Morton via Smcwg-public wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Sorry I missed the call yesterday.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">I am hoping the QIIS item can be added to the erratum. In addition, we have the following observation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">S/MIME BR 7.1.4.2.2.d. Note 2 states, $B!H(BFor Government Entities, the CA SHALL enter the Registration Scheme identifier $B!F(BGOV$B!G(B followed by the 2 character ISO 3166 country code for the nation in which the Government Entity is located. If
the Government Entity is verified at a subdivision (state or province) level, then a plus $B!H(B+$B!I(B (0x2B (ASCII), U+002B (UTF$B!>(B8)) followed by a
<b>2 character ISO 3166$B!>(B2 identifier</b> for the subdivision is added.$B!I(B<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">The wording is complicated as there are no 2 character 3166-2 identifiers as they start with the 2 character country code plus a hyphen. For California the code is
<b>US-</b>CA, but we expect the result for the orgID to be GOVUS+CA and not GOVUS+US-CA. For Czechia, they append 2 or 3 numerals such as CZ-201. I assume we want to show GOVCZ+201 (see
<a href="https://url.avanan.click/v2/___https:/urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.iso.org/obp/ui/*iso:code:3166:CZ__;Iw!!FJ-Y8qCqXTj2!e0mTl4p5JfttNo888kNqKGAYUo36SuEiHjGLrpS8kHZi56mAxJeRhKRClNow_FwG3tPs0DB9mFkeja72a6LgFMAIKNAJknQ-3TI$___.YXAzOmRpZ2ljZXJ0OmE6bzo2MTE3N2FjYjk4NmNhZjZiMTBlYzdkYzljNWViMjc1MTo2OmQyZWM6NjQyYTUxNGRkMjI4OTdmNTRkNWFkOWE1MzM1MmYwZThjM2FlYmYzNDNlNzgwZjE0NjJkZjk0MTMwODFjODMwYTpoOkY" title="Protected by Avanan: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/*iso:code:3166:CZ__;Iw!!FJ-Y8qCqXTj2!e0mTl4p5JfttNo888kNqKGAYUo36SuEiHjGLrpS8kHZi56mAxJeRhKRClNow_FwG3tPs0DB9mFkeja72a6LgFMAIKNAJknQ-3TI$">
https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#iso:code:3166:CZ</a>), but this is adding more than 2 characters.
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<p class="xmsonormal">I am not sure how to state this but I think we want these examples:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">OrgID GOVUS based on ISO 3166-1 US indicator<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal">OrgID GOVUS+CA based on ISO 3166-1 US indicator and ISO3166-2 US-CA indicator<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal">OrgID GOV CZ+201 based on ISO 3166-1 CZ indicator and ISO3166-2 CZ-201 indicator<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">So could we add this to a clarification ballot and change $B!H(Bfollowed by a 2 character ISO 3166<span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-family:DengXian;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">$B!>(B</span>2 identifier for the subdivision added$B!I(B to $B!H(Bfollowed by the
ISO 3166-2 additional characters identified for the subdivision added$B!I(B? Then provide the examples.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Thanks, Bruce.<o:p></o:p></p>
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