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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Here is the actual text from ISO:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Subdivision codes (ISO 3166-2)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Subdivision codes – code that represents the name of a principal subdivision (e.g province or state) of countries coded in ISO 3166-1. This code is based on the two-letter code element from ISO 3166-1 followed by a separator <span style='background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow'>and up to three alphanumeric characters.</span> The characters after the separator cannot be used on their own to denote a subdivision, they must be preceded by the alpha-2 country code.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>For example – ID-RI is the Riau province of Indonesia and NG-RI is the Rivers province in Nigeria.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The codes denoting the subdivision are usually obtained from national sources and stem from coding systems already in place in the country.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Best, Stephen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Smcwg-public <smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tim Hollebeek via Smcwg-public<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 14, 2023 1:45 PM<br><b>To:</b> Corey Bonnell <Corey.Bonnell@digicert.com>; CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <servercert-wg@cabforum.org>; Paul van Brouwershaven <Paul.vanBrouwershaven@entrust.com>; SMIME Certificate Working Group <smcwg-public@cabforum.org>; Bruce Morton <bruce.morton@entrust.com>; Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <dzacharo@harica.gr><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Smcwg-public] [Servercert-wg] [EXTERNAL] Re: orgID - Government entities<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Yes, the language here was added rather quickly and was written with the United States in mind, as the original draft language did not consider countries that register organizations primarily at the subdivision level. That$B!G(Bs how the incorrect assumption that ISO 3166-2 subdivisions are always two letters snuck in.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>-Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Servercert-wg <<a href="mailto:servercert-wg-bounces@cabforum.org">servercert-wg-bounces@cabforum.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Corey Bonnell via Servercert-wg<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 4, 2023 5:12 AM<br><b>To:</b> Paul van Brouwershaven <<a href="mailto:Paul.vanBrouwershaven@entrust.com">Paul.vanBrouwershaven@entrust.com</a>>; SMIME Certificate Working Group <<a href="mailto:smcwg-public@cabforum.org">smcwg-public@cabforum.org</a>>; Bruce Morton <<a href="mailto:bruce.morton@entrust.com">bruce.morton@entrust.com</a>>; Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <<a href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr">dzacharo@harica.gr</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Servercert-wg] [Smcwg-public] [EXTERNAL] Re: orgID - Government entities<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:black;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I think it correctly states ISO 3166-2 but it incorrectly assumes that the subdivision has a length of two.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Looks like this is an error that was originally introduced in the EVGs for orgID. EVG 9.2.8 says:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>$B!H(BFor the NTR Registration Scheme identifier, if required under Section 9.2.4, a 2 character ISO<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>3166$B!>(B2 identifier for the subdivision (state or province) of the nation in which the Registration<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Scheme is operated, preceded by plus $B!H(B+$B!I(B (0x2B (ASCII), U+002B (UTF$B!>(B8));$B!I(B<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>We should fix that too (CC$B!G(Bing servercert-wg).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Corey<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Smcwg-public <<a href="mailto:smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org">smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul van Brouwershaven via Smcwg-public<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 4, 2023 5:03 AM<br><b>To:</b> Bruce Morton <<a href="mailto:bruce.morton@entrust.com">bruce.morton@entrust.com</a>>; SMIME Certificate Working Group <<a href="mailto:smcwg-public@cabforum.org">smcwg-public@cabforum.org</a>>; Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <<a href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr">dzacharo@harica.gr</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Smcwg-public] [EXTERNAL] Re: orgID - Government entities<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>ISO 3166-1 is the country code<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>ISO 3166-2 is the subdivision code<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>S/MIME BR 7.1.4.2.2.d. Note 2 states:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><i><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>$B!H(BFor Government Entities, the CA SHALL enter the Registration Scheme identifier $B!F(BGOV$B!G(B followed by the 2 character ISO 3166 country code for the nation in which the Government Entity is located. <u><span style='background:yellow'>If the Government Entity is verified at a <b>subdivision</b> (state or province)</span></u> level, then a plus $B!H(B+$B!I(B (0x2B (ASCII), U+002B (UTF$B!>(B8)) followed by a <b><u><span style='background:red'>2 character</span></u></b><u><span style='background:red'> ISO 3166$B!>(B2</span></u><span style='background:white'> identifier </span>for the subdivision is added.$B!I(B</span></i><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>I think it correctly states ISO 3166-2 but it incorrectly assumes that the subdivision has a length of two.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=1 width="98%" align=center></div><div id=divRplyFwdMsg><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> Smcwg-public <<a href="mailto:smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org">smcwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>> on behalf of Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via Smcwg-public <<a href="mailto:smcwg-public@cabforum.org">smcwg-public@cabforum.org</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 4, 2023 07:37<br><b>To:</b> Bruce Morton <<a href="mailto:Bruce.Morton@entrust.com">Bruce.Morton@entrust.com</a>>; SMIME Certificate Working Group <<a href="mailto:smcwg-public@cabforum.org">smcwg-public@cabforum.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [Smcwg-public] orgID - Government entities</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>WARNING: This email originated outside of Entrust.<br>DO NOT CLICK links or attachments unless you trust the sender and know the content is safe.<o:p></o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>It should be ISO 3166-1 for the alpha-2 character code. This was probably an oversight.<br><br>Stephen, is this something we could add to the upcoming ballot with fixes?<br><br><br>Thanks,<br>Dimitris.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 30/3/2023 8:24 <span lang=JA>$B&L(B</span>.<span lang=JA>$B&L(B</span>., Bruce Morton via Smcwg-public wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=xmsonormal>Sorry I missed the call yesterday.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal>I am hoping the QIIS item can be added to the erratum. In addition, we have the following observation.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal>S/MIME BR 7.1.4.2.2.d. Note 2 states, $B!H(BFor Government Entities, the CA SHALL enter the Registration Scheme identifier $B!F(BGOV$B!G(B followed by the 2 character ISO 3166 country code for the nation in which the Government Entity is located. If the Government Entity is verified at a subdivision (state or province) level, then a plus $B!H(B+$B!I(B (0x2B (ASCII), U+002B (UTF$B!>(B8)) followed by a <b>2 character ISO 3166$B!>(B2 identifier</b> for the subdivision is added.$B!I(B<o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal>The wording is complicated as there are no 2 character 3166-2 identifiers as they start with the 2 character country code plus a hyphen. For California the code is <b>US-</b>CA, but we expect the result for the orgID to be GOVUS+CA and not GOVUS+US-CA. For Czechia, they append 2 or 3 numerals such as CZ-201. I assume we want to show GOVCZ+201 (see <a href="https://url.avanan.click/v2/___https:/urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.iso.org/obp/ui/*iso:code:3166:CZ__;Iw!!FJ-Y8qCqXTj2!e0mTl4p5JfttNo888kNqKGAYUo36SuEiHjGLrpS8kHZi56mAxJeRhKRClNow_FwG3tPs0DB9mFkeja72a6LgFMAIKNAJknQ-3TI$___.YXAzOmRpZ2ljZXJ0OmE6bzo2MTE3N2FjYjk4NmNhZjZiMTBlYzdkYzljNWViMjc1MTo2OmQyZWM6NjQyYTUxNGRkMjI4OTdmNTRkNWFkOWE1MzM1MmYwZThjM2FlYmYzNDNlNzgwZjE0NjJkZjk0MTMwODFjODMwYTpoOkY" title="Protected by Avanan: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/*iso:code:3166:CZ__;Iw!!FJ-Y8qCqXTj2!e0mTl4p5JfttNo888kNqKGAYUo36SuEiHjGLrpS8kHZi56mAxJeRhKRClNow_FwG3tPs0DB9mFkeja72a6LgFMAIKNAJknQ-3TI$">https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#iso:code:3166:CZ</a>), but this is adding more than 2 characters. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal>I am not sure how to state this but I think we want these examples:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal>OrgID GOVUS based on ISO 3166-1 US indicator<o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal>OrgID GOVUS+CA based on ISO 3166-1 US indicator and ISO3166-2 US-CA indicator<o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal>OrgID GOV CZ+201 based on ISO 3166-1 CZ indicator and ISO3166-2 CZ-201 indicator<o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal>So could we add this to a clarification ballot and change $B!H(Bfollowed by a 2 character ISO 3166<span lang=ZH-CN style='font-family:DengXian;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>$B!>(B</span>2 identifier for the subdivision added$B!I(B to $B!H(Bfollowed by the ISO 3166-2 additional characters identified for the subdivision added$B!I(B? Then provide the examples.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal>Thanks, Bruce.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><i>Any email and files/attachments transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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