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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/11/2022 6:11 μ.μ., Ben Wilson
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">That could simplify it, but Mozilla's CRL Reason
        Code rules would still supersede that section.<br>
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    <br>
    I don't see it as "superseding" but differently "presented". Mozilla
    chose that particular presentation format without taking into
    consideration the time limits for revocation. <a
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href="https://github.com/mozilla/pkipolicy/blob/master/rootstore/policy.md#611-end-entity-tls-certificate-crlrevocation-reasons">MRSP
    </a>only mentions the reasons and expectations for using such
    reasons. The BRs are more explicit in the use cases and it's more
    important for the CA to know which cases must be revoked within 24
    hours and which ones must be revoked within 5 days. It's a better
    "starting point" for CAs, and that's that they are used to follow. <br>
    <br>
    I believe we can successfully update 4.9.1.1 to aligned with MRSP
    section 6.1 without changing the current presentation format of
    revocation use cases in the BRs. If you are open to the idea, I can
    work with you on a more concrete proposal and see how it looks.<br>
    <br>
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    Thanks,<br>
    Dimitris.<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 2:22
          AM Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via Servercert-wg <<a
            href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org"
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            <div>On 15/11/2022 1:02 π.μ., Ben Wilson via Servercert-wg
              wrote:<br>
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                <div>Thanks.</div>
                <div><br>
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                <div>Any additional thoughts, recommendations, etc.?</div>
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            Hi Ben,<br>
            <br>
            I assume that the use cases described within the parenthesis
            under 4.9.1.1 are "examples" which means that the "i.e."
            should be replaced with "e.g.". <br>
            <br>
            I am not very much in favor of the breakown of subsections
            for each revocation reasonCode which repeats the language
            "SHOULD revoke within 24 hours and SHALL revoke within 5
            days" in various cases, and gets especially confusing when
            the Subscriber requests in writing, which can apply to
            several reasonCodes.<br>
            <br>
            The previous attempt keeping the existing structure that
            CAs/Auditors are already familiar with, seems like a better
            approach. That's because CAs already have controls in place
            to handle "specific revocation use cases" as they are listed
            in the current sections 4.9.1.1 and 4.9.1.2. All we need to
            do now is map those known cases to a specific RFC5280
            reasonCode.<br>
            <br>
            If additional revocation use cases have been documented in
            MRSP, we can add those in <a href="http://4.9.1.1/2"
              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">4.9.1.1/2</a> as
            needed.<br>
            <br>
            What do others think? Should we try to minimize the changes
            to 4.9.1.1 and 4.9.1.2 or do a complete restructuring?<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            Thanks,<br>
            Dimitris.<br>
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                <div>Ben<br>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 10, 2022
                  at 11:33 PM Roman Fischer via Servercert-wg <<a
                    href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dear
                            Ben,</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                            lang="EN-US">Thanks for your effort to make
                            it better understandable. Even for me as a
                            non-native speaker it’s now much clearer
                            when to use which reasonCode (but it’s still
                            very complex!).</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                            lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                            lang="EN-US">Could the section</span></p>
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                            lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">** The
                            privilegeWithdrawn reasonCode <span
                              style="background:yellow"> does not need
                              to be made available</span> to the
                            Subscriber as a revocation reason option,
                            because the use of this reasonCode is
                            determined by the CA and not the Subscriber.</span><span
                            style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                            lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                            lang="EN-US">be reformulated to use one of
                            the RFC 2119 terms? Maybe your intention was
                            “SHALL NOT be made available”?</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                            lang="EN-US">Kind regards<br>
                            Roman Fischer, SwissSign</span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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                                lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                              lang="EN-US"> Servercert-wg <<a
                                href="mailto:servercert-wg-bounces@cabforum.org"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">servercert-wg-bounces@cabforum.org</a>>
                              <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ben Wilson via
                              Servercert-wg<br>
                              <b>Sent:</b> Freitag, 11. November 2022
                              00:53<br>
                              <b>To:</b> CA/B Forum Server Certificate
                              WG Public Discussion List <<a
                                href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a>><br>
                              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Servercert-wg]
                              Proposal to Incorporate Mozilla's CRL
                              Revocation Reason Code Requirements into
                              the BRs</span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">All,</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">Here is another
                              iteration of a proposal to incorporate
                              Mozilla's CRL reason code requirements
                              into the Baseline Requirements. </p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">I am open to your
                              suggestions and recommendations on how to
                              make this better. </p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">I'll put another draft
                              in GitHub again after I receive feedback.</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">Ben</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at
                              10:16 PM Ben Wilson via Servercert-wg <<a
                                href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a>>
                              wrote:</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Corey,</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">See responses
                                  below.</p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Sep 14,
                                    2022 at 11:38 AM Corey Bonnell <<a
href="mailto:Corey.Bonnell@digicert.com" target="_blank"
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                                    wrote:</p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                            lang="EN-US">Hi Ben,</span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                            lang="EN-US">It appears the
                                            ballot text has potential
                                            divergences from the
                                            published MRSP:</span></p>
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                                            lang="EN-US">1. This ballot
                                            prohibits other CRLReasons
                                            from appearing in CRLs. This
                                            is meaningfully different
                                            from MRSP, where the new
                                            requirements are applicable
                                            solely to revocations that
                                            occur on or after the
                                            effective date.</span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> I think this can
                                    be fixed with some language changes.</p>
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                                            lang="EN-US">2. There is no
                                            requirement to document
                                            reason codes in the
                                            Subscriber Agreement,
                                            whereas there is in MRSP. Is
                                            this change intentional?</span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Not exactly an
                                    intentional elimination of the
                                    requirement, but I can make the
                                    ballot consistent with the MRSP with
                                    some language changes as well. My
                                    idea was to suggest that CAs could
                                    incorporate the necessary
                                    information "by reference" so that
                                    the CRL reason code explanations
                                    wouldn't have to appear fully in
                                    Subscriber Agreements or Terms of
                                    Use.</p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                            lang="EN-US">3. Regarding
                                            24-hour revocation reason
                                            #5: it appears that
                                            privilegeWithdrawn is now
                                            allowed. According to MRSP,
                                            only superseded is
                                            appropriate for this case.</span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">For consistency,
                                    I'll change this to superseded only.
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                                            lang="EN-US">4. Regarding
                                            5-day revocation reason #9:
                                            this is not a scenario
                                            listed in MRSP. In other
                                            words, this revocation
                                            scenario must be denoted as
                                            “unspecified” as the
                                            CRLReason under MRSP.
                                            Therefore, it is not
                                            possible to satisfy both the
                                            proposed BR text and MRSP.</span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">That's probably
                                    the approach to take - thanks. 
                                    Another possibility is to move this
                                    revocation reason down to 4.9.1.2 -
                                    CAs should revoke the intermediate
                                    CA certificate(s) rather than all
                                    end entity certificates. </p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                            lang="EN-US">5.  Regarding
                                            5-day revocation reason #10:
                                            this appears to be like
                                            scenario #7, but it is
                                            different in that revocation
                                            may be required even if
                                            there’s no violation of the
                                            CP/CPS. I don’t think this
                                            scenario is enumerated in
                                            MRSP, so it is not possible
                                            to specify a reason code
                                            that satisfies both MRSP and
                                            this ballot for this
                                            scenario.</span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Kathleen and I
                                    think that this reason is in the
                                    MRSP under the section for the
                                    superseded CRLReason -  "the CA
                                    operator has revoked the certificate
                                    for compliance reasons such as the
                                    certificate does not comply with
                                    this policy, the CA/Browser Forum's
                                    Baseline Requirements, or the CA
                                    operator’s CP or CPS". </p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                            lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                            lang="EN-US">More generally,
                                            the Defined Term
                                            “Certificate” should be used
                                            throughout the ballot for
                                            consistency.</span></p>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Agreed.  Thanks.</p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                </div>
                                <blockquote
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                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                            lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                            lang="EN-US">Thanks,</span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                            lang="EN-US">Corey</span></p>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,</p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Ben </p>
                                </div>
                                <blockquote
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                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                            lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                        <div style="border-style:solid
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                                lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                                              lang="EN-US">
                                              Servercert-wg <<a
                                                href="mailto:servercert-wg-bounces@cabforum.org"
                                                target="_blank"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">servercert-wg-bounces@cabforum.org</a>>
                                              <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ben
                                              Wilson via Servercert-wg<br>
                                              <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday,
                                              September 13, 2022 11:37
                                              PM<br>
                                              <b>To:</b> Ben Wilson <<a
href="mailto:bwilson@mozilla.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bwilson@mozilla.com</a>>; CA/B Forum
                                              Server Certificate WG
                                              Public Discussion List
                                              <<a
                                                href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org"
                                                target="_blank"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a>><br>
                                              <b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                              [Servercert-wg] Proposal
                                              to Incorporate Mozilla's
                                              CRL Revocation Reason Code
                                              Requirements into the BRs</span></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                            lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                        <div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                lang="EN-US">Here is the
                                                most current comparison:</span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                lang="EN-US"><a
href="https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fcabforum%2Fservercert%2Fcompare%2Fbbca71465ed8a8a76383086039f52c750009286a..1699612e5157423f607d67cc8ab9dc3a1d52b318&data=05%7C01%7Croman.fischer%40swisssign.com%7Ce95c13967f6d4cffa0db08dac376a9d2%7C21322582607f404c82d950ddb1eca5c9%7C1%7C0%7C638037211688809839%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=6U2qShXXY%2FWlUn2vWCqq0YB8yQAQxEiQXejzc6pCawE%3D&reserved=0"
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/bbca71465ed8a8a76383086039f52c750009286a..1699612e5157423f607d67cc8ab9dc3a1d52b318</a></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                lang="EN-US">Ben</span></p>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                            lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                        <div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                lang="EN-US">On Mon, Sep
                                                12, 2022 at 11:00 AM Ben
                                                Wilson <<a
                                                  href="mailto:bwilson@mozilla.com"
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bwilson@mozilla.com</a>> wrote:</span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <blockquote
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                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                    lang="EN-US">Here is
                                                    another edit that
                                                    tries to make
                                                    minimal changes to
                                                    BR section 4.9.1.1.</span></p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                    lang="EN-US"><a
                                                      href="http://goog_144053405"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"><br>
                                                    </a></span></p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                    lang="EN-US"><a
href="https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FBenWilson-Mozilla%2Fservercert%2Fcommit%2F94a07d08855cf489a2bdddff7d8a9490969d5d06&data=05%7C01%7Croman.fischer%40swisssign.com%7Ce95c13967f6d4cffa0db08dac376a9d2%7C21322582607f404c82d950ddb1eca5c9%7C1%7C0%7C638037211688809839%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=h0d4CsixQeyG7GMzM2nqO3ScDRRM1EomVg%2BuwI3lBIc%3D&reserved=0"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/BenWilson-Mozilla/servercert/commit/94a07d08855cf489a2bdddff7d8a9490969d5d06</a></span></p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                    lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                    lang="EN-US">Ben</span></p>
                                              </div>
                                            </div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                            <div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                    lang="EN-US">On Mon,
                                                    Sep 12, 2022 at 9:51
                                                    AM Ben Wilson via
                                                    Servercert-wg <<a
href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org" target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:</span></p>
                                              </div>
                                              <blockquote
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                                                <div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                        lang="EN-US">Thanks,
                                                        Dimitris. I'll
                                                        work on that
                                                        approach and get
                                                        something back
                                                        to you soon.</span></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                        lang="EN-US">Ben</span></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                    lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                        lang="EN-US">On
                                                        Mon, Sep 12,
                                                        2022 at 2:56 AM
                                                        Dimitris
                                                        Zacharopoulos
                                                        (HARICA) <<a
href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dzacharo@harica.gr</a>> wrote:</span></p>
                                                  </div>
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                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">Hi
                                                          Ben,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          After a quick
                                                          reading, I
                                                          noticed that
                                                          the
                                                          subsections
                                                          are not
                                                          symmetrical
                                                          and a bit
                                                          inconsistent.
                                                          For example,
                                                          some of them
                                                          contain the
                                                          statement "the
                                                          CA SHOULD
                                                          revoke a
                                                          certificate
                                                          within 24
                                                          hours and MUST
                                                          revoke a
                                                          Certificate
                                                          within 5
                                                          days", some do
                                                          not.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Other
                                                          examples:</span></p>
                                                      <ul type="disc">
                                                        <li
                                                          class="MsoNormal">
                                                          <span
                                                          lang="EN-US">4.9.1.1.1,
                                                          is labeled
                                                          "Subscriber-Requested
                                                          Revocation",
                                                          however there
                                                          are other
                                                          subsections
                                                          that are also
"Subscriber-Requested". This separation seems confusing.</span></li>
                                                        <li
                                                          class="MsoNormal">
                                                          <span
                                                          lang="EN-US">4.9.1.1.4
                                                          is about
                                                          unreliable
                                                          validation but
                                                          most of the
                                                          remaining
                                                          subsections
                                                          are titled
                                                          after the RFC
                                                          5280
                                                          revocation
                                                          reasons.</span></li>
                                                      </ul>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US">Finally, it's not very
                                                          clear when the
                                                          "unspecified
                                                          (0)" reason
                                                          must be used
                                                          because of
                                                          section
                                                          4.9.1.1.8
                                                          (Other
                                                          Circumstances)
                                                          which doesn't
                                                          point to a
                                                          revocation
                                                          reason.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          >From my
                                                          perspective,
                                                          I'm not sure
                                                          if breaking
                                                          down each
                                                          subsection is
                                                          more helpful
                                                          for reading
                                                          the revocation
                                                          requirements
                                                          than the
                                                          current
                                                          listing. I
                                                          understand
                                                          there is a
                                                          desire to copy
                                                          the MRSP
                                                          language as
                                                          much as
                                                          possible but
                                                          perhaps we
                                                          need to
                                                          consider a
                                                          less
                                                          "intrusive"
                                                          set of changes
                                                          to a section
                                                          that CAs
                                                          already have a
                                                          difficult time
                                                          reading and
                                                          implementing.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          IMO we either
                                                          need to
                                                          describe the
                                                          revocation
                                                          scenario and
                                                          point to the
                                                          RFC 5280
                                                          revocation
                                                          reason (closer
                                                          to what the
                                                          BRs have
                                                          today), or
                                                          start with the
                                                          RFC 5280
                                                          revocation
                                                          reasons and
                                                          enumerate the
                                                          revocation
                                                          scenarios
                                                          (closer to
                                                          what MRSP has
                                                          today). I find
                                                          it confusing
                                                          to mix the two
                                                          approaches.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Thanks,<br>
                                                          Dimitris.</span></p>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">On
                                                          12/9/2022 6:32
                                                          π.μ., Ben
                                                          Wilson wrote:</span></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <blockquote
                                                        style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">For
                                                          review - here
                                                          is another
                                                          proposal that
                                                          takes BR
                                                          section
                                                          4.9.1.1 and
                                                          puts the
                                                          24-hour and
                                                          5-day
                                                          revocation
                                                          times into
                                                          subsections
                                                          that match the
                                                          CRL reason
                                                          codes.  </span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US"><a
href="https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FBenWilson-Mozilla%2Fservercert%2Fcommit%2Fb185a28fcc20d5853747e4506103823e3dc7c282&data=05%7C01%7Croman.fischer%40swisssign.com%7Ce95c13967f6d4cffa0db08dac376a9d2%7C21322582607f404c82d950ddb1eca5c9%7C1%7C0%7C638037211688809839%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=opmFVkFFcOqc3DWpy%2BwP%2B79ihMxBOPnZE34AGDSKjWY%3D&reserved=0"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/BenWilson-Mozilla/servercert/commit/b185a28fcc20d5853747e4506103823e3dc7c282</a></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">Ben</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">On
                                                          Thu, Sep 8,
                                                          2022 at 12:05
                                                          PM Dimitris
                                                          Zacharopoulos
                                                          (HARICA) <<a
href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dzacharo@harica.gr</a>> wrote:</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US">Good point.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          s/<i>expected/shall
                                                          use/<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </i></span></p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">On
                                                          8/9/2022 8:26
                                                          μ.μ., Tim
                                                          Hollebeek
                                                          wrote:</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">I
                                                          would prefer
                                                          standard 2119
                                                          language
                                                          instead of an
“expectation”.  There are no documented rules for what it means for a
                                                          CRLReason to
                                                          be expected to
                                                          be a certain
                                                          value.</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">-Tim</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <div
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                                                          currentcolor
                                                          blue">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">
                                                          Servercert-wg
                                                          <a
                                                          href="mailto:servercert-wg-bounces@cabforum.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><servercert-wg-bounces@cabforum.org></a>
                                                          <b>On Behalf
                                                          Of </b>Dimitris
                                                          Zacharopoulos
                                                          (HARICA) via
                                                          Servercert-wg<br>
                                                          <b>Sent:</b>
                                                          Thursday,
                                                          September 8,
                                                          2022 3:21 AM<br>
                                                          <b>To:</b> Ben
                                                          Wilson <a
                                                          href="mailto:bwilson@mozilla.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><bwilson@mozilla.com></a>;
                                                          CA/B Forum
                                                          Server
                                                          Certificate WG
                                                          Public
                                                          Discussion
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                                                          <b>Subject:</b>
                                                          Re:
                                                          [Servercert-wg]
                                                          Proposal to
                                                          Incorporate
                                                          Mozilla's CRL
                                                          Revocation
                                                          Reason Code
                                                          Requirements
                                                          into the BRs</span></p>
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                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
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style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">On
                                                          7/9/2022 8:22
                                                          μ.μ., Ben
                                                          Wilson wrote:</span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">Good
                                                          suggestion. I
                                                          can re-work a
                                                          proposal that
                                                          re-writes BR
                                                          sec. 4.9.1.1
                                                          to re-group
                                                          the revocation
                                                          reasons into
                                                          the reason
                                                          codes that
                                                          should be
                                                          used. Is that
                                                          what you were
                                                          thinking? </span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US"><br>
                                                          Yes. We should
                                                          also try to
                                                          keep the
                                                          current BRs
                                                          prioritization.
                                                          The section
                                                          begins with
                                                          the cases
                                                          where the
                                                          Certificate(s)
                                                          need to be
                                                          revoked within
                                                          24h and then
                                                          moves to the
                                                          5-day
                                                          revocation
                                                          cases.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          We could walk
                                                          this list down
                                                          making sure
                                                          that all
                                                          Mozilla cases
                                                          are listed
                                                          (add the ones
                                                          that are not)
                                                          and add the
                                                          expected
                                                          revocationReason
                                                          for each case.
                                                          For example:</span></p>
                                                          <p><i><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">The
                                                          CA SHALL
                                                          revoke a
                                                          Certificate
                                                          within 24
                                                          hours if one
                                                          or more of the
                                                          following
                                                          occurs:</span></i><span
                                                          lang="EN-US"></span></p>
                                                          <ol type="1"
                                                          start="1">
                                                          <li
                                                          class="MsoNormal">
                                                          <i><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">The
                                                          Subscriber
                                                          requests in
                                                          writing that
                                                          the CA revoke
                                                          the
                                                          Certificate
                                                          (expected
                                                          CRLReason:<b>unspecified</b>);</span></i><span
                                                          lang="EN-US"></span></li>
                                                          <li
                                                          class="MsoNormal">
                                                          <i><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">The
                                                          Subscriber
                                                          notifies the
                                                          CA that the
                                                          original
                                                          certificate
                                                          request was
                                                          not authorized
                                                          and does not
                                                          retroactively
                                                          grant
                                                          authorization
                                                          (expected
                                                          CRLReason:</span></i><b><i><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">privilegeWithdrawn</span></i></b><i><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">);</span></i><span
                                                          lang="EN-US"></span></li>
                                                          <li
                                                          class="MsoNormal">
                                                          <i><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">The
                                                          CA obtains
                                                          evidence that
                                                          the
                                                          Subscriber's
                                                          Private Key
                                                          corresponding
                                                          to the Public
                                                          Key in the
                                                          Certificate
                                                          suffered a Key
                                                          Compromise
                                                          (expected
                                                          CRLReason:<b>keyCompromise</b>);</span></i><span
                                                          lang="EN-US"></span></li>
                                                          <li
                                                          class="MsoNormal">
                                                          <i><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">The
                                                          CA is made
                                                          aware of a
                                                          demonstrated
                                                          or proven
                                                          method that
                                                          can easily
                                                          compute the
                                                          Subscriber's
                                                          Private Key
                                                          based on the
                                                          Public Key in
                                                          the
                                                          Certificate
                                                          (such as a
                                                          Debian weak
                                                          key, see </span></i><span
                                                          lang="EN-US"><a
href="https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.debian.org%2FSSLkeys&data=05%7C01%7Croman.fischer%40swisssign.com%7Ce95c13967f6d4cffa0db08dac376a9d2%7C21322582607f404c82d950ddb1eca5c9%7C1%7C0%7C638037211688809839%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2FV7HivQUf9v8s2xTxi1rVgVbg7XfH9TtU4RjlKL0T6c%3D&reserved=0"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><i>https://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys</i></a><i>)
                                                          (expected
                                                          CRLReason:<b>keyCompromise</b>);</i></span></li>
                                                          <li
                                                          class="MsoNormal">
                                                          <i><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">The
                                                          CA obtains
                                                          evidence that
                                                          the validation
                                                          of domain
                                                          authorization
                                                          or control for
                                                          any
                                                          Fully-Qualified
                                                          Domain Name or
                                                          IP address in
                                                          the
                                                          Certificate
                                                          should not be
                                                          relied upon
                                                          (expected
                                                          CRLReason: </span></i><b><i><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">superseded</span></i></b><i><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">).</span></i><span
                                                          lang="EN-US"></span></li>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US">and so on.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Does that
                                                          work?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Dimitris.</span></p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">Thanks,</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">Ben</span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">On
                                                          Wed, Sep 7,
                                                          2022 at 6:01
                                                          AM Dimitris
                                                          Zacharopoulos
                                                          (HARICA) via
                                                          Servercert-wg
                                                          <<a
                                                          href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a>>
                                                          wrote:</span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US">Hi Ben,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I believe the
                                                          proposal, as
                                                          written,
                                                          causes
                                                          confusion in
                                                          regards to
                                                          4.9.1.1. Some
                                                          of the reasons
                                                          described in
                                                          your proposal
                                                          are already
                                                          mentioned in
                                                          4.9.1.1.
                                                          Perhaps we
                                                          should work
                                                          some more to
                                                          "unify" the
                                                          two sections.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          My proposal
                                                          would be to
                                                          update 4.9.1.1
                                                          and include
                                                          the expected
                                                          CRLReason
                                                          after each
                                                          case.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Thoughts?<br>
                                                          Dimitris.</span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">On
                                                          6/9/2022 8:13
                                                          μ.μ., Ben
                                                          Wilson via
                                                          Servercert-wg
                                                          wrote:</span></p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">All,</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">I'm
                                                          looking for
                                                          one more
                                                          endorser.</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">Thanks,</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">Ben</span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">On
                                                          Fri, Jul 29,
                                                          2022 at 12:40
                                                          PM Ben Wilson
                                                          via
                                                          Servercert-wg
                                                          <<a
                                                          href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a>>
                                                          wrote:</span></p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">All,</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">I
                                                          have created a
                                                          proposal in
                                                          Github to
                                                          incorporate
                                                          Mozilla's CRL
                                                          Revocation
                                                          Reason Code
                                                          requirements
                                                          into the
                                                          Baseline
                                                          Requirements. 
                                                          </span></p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">See
                                                          <a
href="https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fcabforum%2Fservercert%2Fissues%2F377&data=05%7C01%7Croman.fischer%40swisssign.com%7Ce95c13967f6d4cffa0db08dac376a9d2%7C21322582607f404c82d950ddb1eca5c9%7C1%7C0%7C638037211688809839%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=D4KPoI9FuCxKdr9yp378P8kEzjJq9wX%2FUEj%2F0SDufv4%3D&reserved=0"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/issues/377</a></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US"><a
href="https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FBenWilson-Mozilla%2Fservercert%2Fcommit%2F52a480803beff1f96d61c4b6d76570ac7adff4d5&data=05%7C01%7Croman.fischer%40swisssign.com%7Ce95c13967f6d4cffa0db08dac376a9d2%7C21322582607f404c82d950ddb1eca5c9%7C1%7C0%7C638037211688809839%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=LOfjUsptzgpQxI1k6K8oUgU0aj2LDncd48ZzuXe86Hs%3D&reserved=0"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/BenWilson-Mozilla/servercert/commit/52a480803beff1f96d61c4b6d76570ac7adff4d5</a></span></p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">I'm
                                                          looking for
                                                          comments,
                                                          suggestions,
                                                          and two
                                                          endorsers.</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">Thanks,</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">Ben</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">_______________________________________________<br>
                                                          Servercert-wg
                                                          mailing list<br>
                                                          <a
                                                          href="mailto:Servercert-wg@cabforum.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a><br>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                                          <pre><span lang="EN-US">_______________________________________________</span></pre>
                                                          <pre><span lang="EN-US">Servercert-wg mailing list</span></pre>
                                                          <pre><span lang="EN-US"><a href="mailto:Servercert-wg@cabforum.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a></span></pre>
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                                                          <p
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                                                          lang="EN-US">_______________________________________________<br>
                                                          Servercert-wg
                                                          mailing list<br>
                                                          <a
                                                          href="mailto:Servercert-wg@cabforum.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a><br>
                                                          <a
href="https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.cabforum.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fservercert-wg&data=05%7C01%7Croman.fischer%40swisssign.com%7Ce95c13967f6d4cffa0db08dac376a9d2%7C21322582607f404c82d950ddb1eca5c9%7C1%7C0%7C638037211688809839%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=iis%2B0QIl3jXlnwoZxV15jIUE%2FGB%2FtJyHdECcBBoSrcQ%3D&reserved=0"
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                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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