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<span dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">Many CAs and Associate Members support this idea because it also improves alignment efforts with the audited standards. </span> <br> <br> <span dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">I am putting some information together at the Forum level and will present it to the group.</span> <br> <br> <br> <span dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">Thanks,</span> <br> <span dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">Dimitris.</span> <br>
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<p>Nov 15, 2022 22:57:30 Bruce Morton via Servercert-wg <servercert-wg@cabforum.org>:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=" font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif">Maybe another issue is the 8 ballots per year all have different effectivity dates. I think this was Tim’s idea, but if we are thinking out of the box, why not limit the number of effectivity dates, say 2 per year. This would allow the CAs to take the opportunity to update CP/CPS, based on changes from BR/EVG, once or twice per year depending on the impact.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=" font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif"><b>From:</b> Servercert-wg <servercert-wg-bounces@cabforum.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ryan Dickson via Servercert-wg<br> <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 15, 2022 1:25 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Ben Wilson <bwilson@mozilla.com>; CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <servercert-wg@cabforum.org><br> <b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [Servercert-wg] Annual Update of CPS</p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="color:#0E101A;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">[Accidentally posted this in the <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/groups.google.com/a/mozilla.org/g/dev-security-policy/c/JoyItinU9iQ/m/0QECoxA2CAAJ?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer__;!!FJ-Y8qCqXTj2!dsuTApwH3ST7ASghiebViD-vEA8KpCLoeRtFWmmICfgK-fiEhvhCL-ggPnW_HcmYEpSdLv7TrlqplEa3i2nvTZHwu-uGeA$"> MDSP</a> thread related to the same topic, sorry if you're seeing this twice!]</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="color:#0E101A;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi all,</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="color:#0E101A;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I commented on the GitHub</span><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/cabforum/servercert/issues/370*issuecomment-1315408729__;Iw!!FJ-Y8qCqXTj2!dsuTApwH3ST7ASghiebViD-vEA8KpCLoeRtFWmmICfgK-fiEhvhCL-ggPnW_HcmYEpSdLv7TrlqplEa3i2nvTZFVOwoVjw$" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0E101A;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><span style="color:#4A6EE0;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">issue</span></a><span style="color:#0E101A;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">, but if we're looking at changing this requirement, I think we should do so from the perspective of making it better aligned with root program expectations. </span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="color:#0E101A;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Many root program policies include the expectation that a CA's policies conform with the latest version of the BRs. Over the past five years, we've seen, on average, eight ballots adopted to modify the BRs each year. While it's true that not all ballots necessitate a CA's policies are updated, I suspect if we studied it closer, we'd probably see CAs would need to update their CP a few times a year, on average, to satisfy root program policies that require policy “freshness.”</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="color:#0E101A;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I'm not strongly proposing we change the yearly minimum requirement but instead expressing concern about <i>increasing</i> it beyond every 365 days.</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="color:#0E101A;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Somewhat related, I think some simple improvements could be made regarding file naming conventions on policy documents to make it easier for CAs to demonstrate compliance with policy “freshness” requirements.</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="color:#0E101A;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">For example, assume we required the current version of a CP always to be located at [$ca_repository_base_url]/cp.pdf], or an otherwise static URL. As new versions of the CP are published, they would replace the document hosted at [$ca_repository_base_url]/cp.pdf] or the static URL. "Archived" versions would then be appended with the version # of the then superseded document (e.g., a superseded document would transition from [$ca_repository_base_url]/cp.pdf] to [$ca_repository_base_url]/cp-[$previousVersion].pdf]). Ultimately, this makes it very easy for interested parties to find the most current version of a given document. </span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="color:#0E101A;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The same format can apply to CPSs or TSPSs. To accommodate CAs that maintain multiple CPs, we’ll need to think about ways of differentiating URLs.</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="color:#0E101A;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Root programs interested in doing so (or CCADB) could then monitor the "current" policy document URLs and more easily verify the update requirement has been met (i.e., regularly curl and hash $ca_repository_base_url]/cp.pdf, and report when a policy is about to or has recently become stale). Thinking beyond the immediate capabilities of CCADB, perhaps someday it could automatically track version changes to policy documents as they are identified by changes to the hashed value of $ca_repository_base_url]/cp.pdf - reducing workload required by CAs to make sure CCADB records are accurate and updated in a timely manner. </span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="color:#0E101A;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">And, while we’re thinking outside the box - would requiring policy documents be maintained in a common format that easily supports diffs and tracked changes (i.e., Markdown, as we maintain the BRs) - improve our collective policy management and conformance efforts?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=" font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif">On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 11:01 AM Ben Wilson via Servercert-wg <<a href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org" target="_blank">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=" font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif">On second thought, maybe my mind has changed about this. I invite others to chime in.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=" font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif">On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 7:16 AM Clint Wilson <<a href="mailto:clintw@apple.com" target="_blank">clintw@apple.com</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=" font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif">Thanks!</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=" font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif">On Nov 14, 2022, at 4:38 PM, Ben Wilson via Servercert-wg <<a href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org" target="_blank">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=" font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif">All,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=" font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif">Section 2.3 of the Baseline Requirements currently says, "The CA SHALL develop, implement, enforce, and annually update a Certificate Policy<br> and/or Certification Practice Statement that describes in detail how the CA implements the latest version of these Requirements." I am considering a proposal to revise that language to specify a 398-day period. See <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/cabforum/servercert/issues/370*issuecomment-1113441809__;Iw!!FJ-Y8qCqXTj2!dsuTApwH3ST7ASghiebViD-vEA8KpCLoeRtFWmmICfgK-fiEhvhCL-ggPnW_HcmYEpSdLv7TrlqplEa3i2nvTZEi1VmwsA$" target="_blank"> https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/issues/370#issuecomment-1113441809 <br> </a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=" font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif">"The CA SHALL develop, implement, enforce, and <s>annually</s> update a Certificate Policy and/or Certification Practice Statement that describes in detail how the CA implements the latest version of these Requirements. The CA SHALL indicate conformance with this requirement by incrementing the version number and adding a dated changelog entry <u>at least every 398 days</u>, even if no other changes are made to the document."</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=" font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif">Ben</p>
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