<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div>These have also been published to the <a href="https://cabforum.org/2022/08/04/2022-08-04-minutes-of-the-server-certificate-working-group/">public website at cabforum.org</a>.</div><div><br></div><div>----- Original message -----<br></div><div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><b><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Server Certificate Working Group – 4 August 2022</span></span></b></span><br></div><div type="cite" id="qt" style=""><div dir="ltr"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Attendees: Aaron Poulsen (Amazon), Andrea Holland (SecureTrust), Chris Clements (Google), Chris Kemmerer (SSL.com), Clint Wilson (Apple), Corey Bonnell (Digicert), Corey Rasmussen (OATI), Daryn Wright (GoDaddy), Dean Coclin (Digicert), Dustin Hollenback (Microsoft), Enrico Entschew (D-TRUST), Fumi Yoneda (Japan Registry Services), Hazhar Ismail (MSC Trustgate Sdn Bhd), Inaba Atsushi (GlobalSign), Inigo Barreira (Sectigo), Johnny Reading (GoDaddy), Jos Purvis (Fastly), Kiran Tummala (Microsoft), Lynn Jeun (Visa), Mads Henriksveen (Buypass AS), Martijn Katerbarg (Sectigo), Michael Guenther (SwissSign), Michelle Coon (OATI), Nargis Mannan (SecureTrust), Pedro Fuentes (OISTE Foundation), Peter Miskovic (Disig), Rebecca Kelley (Apple), Ryan Dickson (Google), Stephen Davidson (Digicert), Steven Deitte (GoDaddy), Tadahiko Ito (SECOM Trust Systems), Trevoli Ponds-White (Amazon), Tyler Myers (GoDaddy), Wayne Thayer (Fastly), Wendy Brown (US Federal PKI Management Authority), Yoshiro Yoneya (Japan Registry Services)</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">1. Read Antitrust Statement</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Jos Purvis read the antitrust statement.</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">2. Review Agenda</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">No changes were made to the agenda.</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">3. Approval of Minutes from Last Teleconference</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">The minutes from the 21-July call were approved without changes.</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Jos said that the content of the Warsaw face-to-face minutes is on the wiki and complete.</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Dean Coclin said that the linked presentations and attendance have been added.</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Jos asked if we are ready to approve, and Wayne Thayer said we should approve.</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">The minutes of the face-to-face were approved, and will be published to the public mailing list.</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">4. Validation Subcommittee Update</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Corey Bonnell said that the subcommittee met last Thursday. They spent the whole time reviewing tasks in the GitHub project, moving some to on-deck and closing others. At the next meeting we’ll prioritize the on-deck items.</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">5. Ballot Status</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;text-indent:36pt;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Ballots in Discussion Period</span></span></span><br></p><ul style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"><li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:disc;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;margin-left:36pt;"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;" role="presentation"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">None</span></span></span><br></p></li></ul><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;text-indent:36pt;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Ballots in Voting Period</span></span></span><br></p><ul style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"><li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:disc;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;margin-left:36pt;"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;" role="presentation"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">None</span></span></span><br></p></li></ul><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;text-indent:36pt;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Ballots in Review Period</span></span></span><br></p><ul style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"><li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:disc;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;margin-left:36pt;"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;" role="presentation"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">None</span></span></span><br></p></li></ul><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;text-indent:36pt;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Draft Ballots Under Consideration</span></span></span><br></p><ul style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"><li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:disc;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;margin-left:36pt;"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;" role="presentation"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Revival of Debian Weak Keys</span></span></span><br></p></li></ul><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-left:72pt;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Chris Kemmerer said he had a request for further discussion from Martijn Katerbarg about referencing external tools. We have a dedicated page on the website. It might be a good idea to reference those tools in the BRs, but that reference doesn’t need to be buried in section 6.1.1.3. Chris said that he is still seeking endorsers.</span></span></span><br></p><ul style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"><li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:disc;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;margin-left:36pt;"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;" role="presentation"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">SLO/Response for CRL & OCSP Responses</span></span></span><br></p></li></ul><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-left:72pt;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">David Kluge was not on the call. Clint Wilson said that there will be more discussion later today.</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">6. Any Other Business</span></span></span><br></p><ul style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"><li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:disc;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;" role="presentation"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Interested Party Review</span></span></span><br></p></li></ul><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-left:36pt;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Jos said that Tanat Tonguthaisri from Southeast Asia University in Thailand submitted the IPR agreement and will become an individual interested party.</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">7. Roll Call</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Dean Coclin read the roll.</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">8. Next call: 18-August 2022 at 11AM Eastern</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Adjourn; Immediately convene meeting of CA Browser Forum (same call)</span></span></span><br></p></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>Management mailing list<br></div><div><a href="mailto:Management@cabforum.org">Management@cabforum.org</a><br></div><div><a href="https://lists.cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/management">https://lists.cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/management</a><br></div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div></body></html>