<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div>Below are the minutes for the 7 July 2022 meeting of the Server Certificate Working Group; these have also been posted to the <a href="https://cabforum.org/2022/07/07/2022-07-07-minutes-of-the-server-certificate-working-group/">public website at cabforum.org</a>.<br></div><div><br></div><div>----- Original message -----<br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><b><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Server Certificate Working Group – 7 July 2022</span></span></b></span><br></div><div type="cite" id="qt" style=""><div dir="ltr"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Attendees: Aaron Poulsen (Amazon), Adam Jones (Microsoft), Amanda Mendieta (Apple), Andrea Holland (SecureTrust), Ben Wilson (Mozilla), Chris Clements (Google), Chris Kemmerer (SSL.com), Clint Wilson (Apple), Corey Bonnell (Digicert), Corey Rasmussen (OATI), Daryn Wright (GoDaddy), Dean Coclin (Digicert), Devon O'Brien (Google), Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA), Doug Beattie (GlobalSign), Dustin Hollenback (Microsoft), Fumi Yoneda (Japan Registry Services), Hazhar Ismail (MSC Trustgate Sdn Bhd), Hubert Chao (Google), Inaba Atsushi (GlobalSign), Inigo Barreira (Sectigo), Jamie Mackey (US Federal PKI Management Authority), Janet Hines (SecureTrust), Joanna Fox (TrustCor Systems), Johnny Reading (GoDaddy), Jos Purvis (Cisco Systems), Karina Sirota (Microsoft), Li-Chun Chen (Chunghwa Telecom), Marcelo Silva (Visa), Martijn Katerbarg (Sectigo), Michelle Coon (OATI), Nargis Mannan (SecureTrust), Paul van Brouwershaven (Entrust), Pedro Fuentes (OISTE Foundation), Peter Miskovic (Disig), Rebecca Kelley (Apple), Sooyoung Eo (NAVER Cloud), Steven Deitte (GoDaddy), Tadahiko Ito (SECOM Trust Systems), Tobias Josefowitz (Opera Software AS), Tyler Myers (GoDaddy), Vijay Kumar (eMudhra), Wayne Thayer (Fastly), Wendy Brown (US Federal PKI Management Authority), Yoshiro Yoneya (Japan Registry Services)</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">1. Read Antitrust Statement</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Jos Purvis read the antitrust statement.</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">2. Review Agenda</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">No changes were made to the agenda.</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">3. Approval of Minutes from Last Teleconference</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">The minutes from the 23-June call were approved with the inclusion of the clarification related to delegated third parties that was requested by Dimitris Zacharopoulos on the mailing list.</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Warsaw face-to-face minutes have been published to the wiki. Attendance still needs to be added. Please review the content so that we can approve at the next meeting.</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">4. Roll Call</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Dean Coclin read the roll.</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">5. Validation Subcommittee Update</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Corey Bonnell said that the subcommittee met last Thursday and discussed a path forward for the certificate profiles draft ballot. It was decided to move the ballot draft into the </span></span></span><a href="https://github.com/cabforum/servercert" style="text-decoration:none;"><span style="color:rgb(17, 85, 204);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;"><u>cabforum/servercert repo on GitHub</u></span></span></span></a><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">. Then they discussed the improved Pandoc tooling for tables that Ryan Sleevi created in support of the profiles ballot. It will be merged into main. Finally, the subcommittee is gathering up work items discussed at the face-to-face and will be looking for volunteers to shepherd those once the profiles ballot has been moved to the cabforum repo.</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">6. Ballot Status</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;text-indent:36pt;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Ballots in Discussion Period</span></span></span><br></p><ul style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"><li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:disc;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;margin-left:36pt;"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;" role="presentation"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">None</span></span></span><br></p></li></ul><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;text-indent:36pt;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Ballots in Voting Period</span></span></span><br></p><ul style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"><li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:disc;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;margin-left:36pt;"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;" role="presentation"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">None</span></span></span><br></p></li></ul><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;text-indent:36pt;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Ballots in Review Period</span></span></span><br></p><ul style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"><li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:disc;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;margin-left:36pt;"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;" role="presentation"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">None</span></span></span><br></p></li></ul><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;text-indent:36pt;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Draft Ballots Under Consideration</span></span></span><br></p><ul style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"><li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:disc;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;margin-left:36pt;"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;" role="presentation"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Revival of Debian Weak Keys</span></span></span><br></p></li></ul><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-left:72pt;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Chris Kemmerer said that he sent a detailed review of the question regarding linking to external resources to the mailing list. There are links to external resources in the current doc, but we need to determine how we will vet links that we want to add. Chris asked for further input from members.</span></span></span><br></p><ul style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"><li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:disc;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;margin-left:36pt;"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;" role="presentation"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">SLO/Response for CRL & OCSP Responses</span></span></span><br></p></li></ul><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-left:72pt;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">David Kluge was not on the call and there were no updates from others. </span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">7. Any Other Business</span></span></span><br></p><ul style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"><li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:disc;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;" role="presentation"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Membership application - Fastly</span></span></span><br></p></li></ul><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-left:36pt;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Jos said that Fastly submitted all the paperwork. Jos will not comment as he is now a Fastly employee. Dean said that we have all their information and they previously submitted their IPR agreement. Dean said that Fastly originally submitted a website run by them, but then resubmitted a URL for a different website. Dean noted that the application stated that Fastly certificates are recognized by Firefox Nightly. Clint Wilson noted that Apple has also approved Fastly’s root inclusion request. There were no objections and Fastly’s application was approved.</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">8. Next call: 21 July 2022 at 11AM Eastern</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-position:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt;">Adjourn; Immediately convene meeting of CA Browser Forum (same call)</span></span></span><br></p></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>Management mailing list<br></div><div><a href="mailto:Management@cabforum.org">Management@cabforum.org</a><br></div><div><a href="https://lists.cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/management">https://lists.cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/management</a><br></div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div></body></html>