<div dir="ltr"><div>Moving conversation over here to keep the voting thread just about voting.</div><div><br></div>In the voting thread, Dimitris has just noted that the "effective date" of this change is only present in the Section 1.2.1 Revisions table:<div><br></div><div>> I just saw that the effective date of the acceptable status codes (1-Jul-2021) was added to section 1.2.1 in the revisions table which is incorrect. In my understanding this is not a place to add normative requirements and besides, it only captures the effective date of the full version of the document, not a specific requirement.</div><br><div>For me, this raises two questions:</div><div>1) For ballot authors, where are standards/requirements like this documented? As someone relatively new to this community, the structure of this ballot seemed reasonable to me: there are not currently any other ballots in the pipeline which will be effective prior to the chosen date of July 1, so simply noting "this document has changed, and that change will go into effect on July 1" seems sufficient. How do we clearly document ballot best practices and style guides?</div><div><br></div><div>2) For the community, why was this issue not raised during the discussion period? The discussion period should not simply be a week-long waiting period, with folks only reading the actual redline once voting begins. How do we incentivize active review and discussion at the appropriate point in the process?</div><div><br></div><div>These are of course interconnected -- perhaps other folks like myself did read the ballot during the discussion period, but didn't realize there was anything structurally wrong with it.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Aaron</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 1:32 PM Ryan Sleevi via Servercert-wg <<a href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">The semantics of 303 indicate that the new resource (referred to via the Location field) is not necessarily the same as the requested resource. The semantics/interpretation of that redirected-to-resource are left up to the user and user agent, while the goal with this was to ensure unambiguous semantics.<div><br></div><div>From RFC 7231, Section 6.4.4 (Emphasis added)</div><div> The 303 (See Other) status code indicates that the server is<br> redirecting the user agent to a different resource, as indicated by a<br> URI in the Location header field, which is intended to provide an<br> indirect response to the original request. A user agent can perform<br> a retrieval request targeting that URI (a GET or HEAD request if<br> using HTTP), which might also be redirected, and present the eventual<br> result as an answer to the original request. <b>Note that the new URI<br> in the Location header field is not considered equivalent to the<br> effective request URI.</b><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:12 PM Bruce Morton via Servercert-wg <<a href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org" target="_blank">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Our team believes that a single 303 redirect from http to https scheme for the same fqdn should be acceptable. Is there a reason why 303 is not allowed?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Thanks, Bruce.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] [Servercert-wg] Discussion Period Begins on Ballot SC43 Version 2: Clarify Acceptable Status Codes<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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version 2</span></span><span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:rgb(102,102,102)">: Clarify Acceptable Status Codes.</span></span><span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">
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<span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">This ballot clarifies the allowed HTTP status codes used for following redirects in domain validation methods 18 and 19, and specifies that the target URI must
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<span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> * "Redirects MUST be the result of a 301, 302, 307, or 308 HTTP status code response."<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">The following motion has been proposed by Niko Carpenter of SecureTrust and endorsed by Corey Bonnell of DigiCert and Ryan Sleevi of Google.<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">This ballot modifies the “Baseline Requirements for the Issuance and Management of Publicly-Trusted Certificates” as defined in the following redline, based
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