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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 14/9/2020 8:08 μ.μ., Ryan Sleevi
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<div dir="ltr">Yes, I'm aware of the "what", but it's not clear
the "why".
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<div>The act of combining ballots is relatively new, as you can
see from <a
href="https://cabforum.org/baseline-requirements-documents/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://cabforum.org/baseline-requirements-documents/</a>
. Producing multiple versions of the Guidelines, linear based
on when the Ballot concluded, was something our GitHub flow
intentionally was to make easy. While that page stopped
listing dates of adoption around Ballot 189, you can see
previous ballot pairs (e.g. 171+164, 125+118+134+135) that did
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<div>It seems worth figuring out the challenges you're facing,
since it was meant to be very easy to create a new version of
the document for each ballot, even ballots that conclude
closely, and to have IP reviews as such.</div>
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The administrative overhead of updating public web sites, sending
additional emails, and the fact that we would have versions of the
Guidelines that would be valid for a few seconds (which seems
unreasonable for a public standards document), are some of the
reasons behind aggregated final guidelines. Version 1.6.4 aggregated
3 ballots, 1.6.7 and 1.7.1. had 2 and now 1.7.2. <br>
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This process was discussed with Dean and Wayne back in February
2019, and we all considered it compliant with our Bylaws. The
results of each IPR review period were sent to the public lists
without receiving any objections or concerns.<br>
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Although we have documented a GitHub workflow that supports the most
common case (one ballot, one IPR review, one Final Maintenance
Guideline), it should not prohibit aggregated ballots to minimize
administrative overhead or the production of Guidelines that have
some reasonable validity time.<br>
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If there are strong objections to this process, we can revise it
going forward.<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Dimitris.<br>
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<div>On 2020-09-14 5:45 μ.μ., Ryan Sleevi wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dimitris: Could you explain why it's
necessary to integrate?
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<div>It seems much better to have Ballot -> Distinct
BR version, and there's nothing in our IP policy I'm
aware of that requires you to send them as a combined
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The result of the IPR review will produce a new version of
the Guidelines. Having two ballots with two IPR review
periods would probably require creating two versions of the
Guidelines, which is why we've been trying to combine
reviews in the past, so we can bump up one version of the
Guideline.<br>
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Hope this helps.<br>
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at 4:38 AM Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via
Servercert-wg <<a
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I just realized that ballot SC28 also contains
changes to the BRs so I will create a combined IPR
review for ballots SC35 and SC28 later today. <br>
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Thank you,<br>
Dimitris.<br>
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