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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>DigiCert votes NO on FORUM-020 v2.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>This is purely based on a minor problem which I wish I had spotted during the discussion period, but didn’t.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The problem is that the requirement to put the CABF policy OID in timestamping certs or ICAs is pretty recent, and there are extant certificates out there that don’t have it, but are still trusted by Microsoft.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I think it is a mistake to have those certificates be outside the scope of the charter. I think the correct scope is timestamp certificates that chain to public roots trusted by one or more certificate consumers.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Again, this is definitely just a nit, and DigiCert would be happy to support an amended charter that fixes this very minor flaw.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>-Tim<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='mso-ligatures:none'>From:</span></b><span style='mso-ligatures:none'> Public <public-bounces@cabforum.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Martijn Katerbarg via Public<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 4, 2024 3:02 PM<br><b>To:</b> CABforum1 <public@cabforum.org><br><b>Subject:</b> [cabfpub] Voting Period begins: Ballot FORUM-020 v2 - Amend Code Signing Certificate Working Group Charter<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:#212121'>Ballot FORUM-020<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='color:#212121'>v2<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b><b><span style='color:#212121'>- Amend Code Signing Certificate Working Group Charter</span></b><span style='color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='color:#212121'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><b><span style='color:#212121'>Purpose of Ballot</span></b><span style='color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='color:#212121'>This ballot proposes to amend the Code Signing Certificate Working Group (CSCWG) Charter with the following changes:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul style='margin-top:0in;caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:#212121;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'>Bump the Charter version.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:#212121;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'>Add a limited scope for timestamp certificates.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:#212121;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'>Remove the version reference of the bylaws that we follow.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:#212121;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'>During a ballot, count only members that are in a voting class, disregarding associate members and interested parties.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='color:#212121;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'>Align Quorum definition as half the average, as the Bylaws have it set.<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='color:#212121'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='color:#212121'>The following motion has been proposed by Martijn Katerbarg of Sectigo and endorsed by Bruce Morton of Entrust and Dimitris Zacharopoulos of HARICA.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='color:#212121'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='color:#212121'>----- Motion Begins -----<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='color:#212121'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='color:#212121'>MODIFY the Charter of the Code Signing Certificate Working Group as specified in the following redline:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br></span><a href="https://github.com/cabforum/forum/compare/59185f16917cc7f5b83564fe5fddff32cf84c8ce...b80c98b80ee132e2a3adf09bfa8ba7448084d11d" title="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fcabforum%2Fforum%2Fcompare%2F59185f16917cc7f5b83564fe5fddff32cf84c8ce...b80c98b80ee132e2a3adf09bfa8ba7448084d11d&data=05%7C02%7Cmartijn.katerbarg%40sectigo.com%7Ce88de084a23146"><span style='color:#0078D7'>https://github.com/cabforum/forum/compare/59185f16917cc7f5b83564fe5fddff32cf84c8ce...b80c98b80ee132e2a3adf09bfa8ba7448084d11d</span></a><span style='color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='color:#212121'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='color:#212121'>----- Motion Ends -----<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='color:#212121'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='color:#212121'>This ballot does not propose a Final Guideline or Final Maintenance Guideline.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='color:#212121'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='color:#212121'>The procedure for approval of this ballot is as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='color:#212121'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='color:#212121'>Discussion Period (7+ days)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='color:#212121'> Start Time: 2023-12-</span><span style='color:#212121'>14</span><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='color:#212121'> </span></span><span style='color:#212121'>– 1</span><span style='color:#212121'>6</span><span style='color:#212121'>:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='color:#212121'> End Time: 202</span><span style='color:#212121'>4</span><span style='color:#212121'>-</span><span style='color:#212121'>01</span><span style='color:#212121'>-</span><span style='color:#212121'>04</span><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='color:#212121'> </span></span><span style='color:#212121'>–<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='color:#212121'>20</span><span style='color:#212121'>:0</span><span style='color:#212121'>0</span><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='color:#212121'> </span></span><span style='color:#212121'>UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='color:#212121'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='color:#212121'>Vote for approval (7 days)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='color:#212121'> Start Time: 202</span><span style='color:#212121'>4</span><span style='color:#212121'>-</span><span style='color:#212121'>01</span><span style='color:#212121'>-</span><span style='color:#212121'>04</span><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='color:#212121'> 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