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<span
id="gmail-docs-internal-guid-cc6ecd87-7fff-ac73-59f1-00f6bf419eb8">These
are the Final Minutes of the Teleconference described in the
subject of this message, prepared by </span>Michelle Coon<span
id="gmail-docs-internal-guid-cc6ecd87-7fff-ac73-59f1-00f6bf419eb8">
(OATI)</span><span
id="gmail-docs-internal-guid-cc6ecd87-7fff-ac73-59f1-00f6bf419eb8">.
</span><span
id="gmail-docs-internal-guid-cc6ecd87-7fff-ac73-59f1-00f6bf419eb8"></span><span
style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"></span>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Attendance <br>
</b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Aaron Poulsen - (Amazon), Abhishek Bhat -
(eMudhra), Adam Jones - (Microsoft), Andrea Holland -
(VikingCloud), Ben Wilson - (Mozilla), Brianca Martin - (Amazon),
Brittany Randall - (GoDaddy), Clint Wilson - (Apple), Corey
Bonnell - (DigiCert), Corey Rasmussen - (OATI), Dimitris
Zacharopoulos - (HARICA), Doug Beattie - (GlobalSign), Dustin
Hollenback - (Microsoft), Eva Vansteenberge - (GlobalSign), Inaba
Atsushi - (GlobalSign), Janet Hines - (VikingCloud), Kiran Tummala
- (Microsoft), Lynn Jeun - (Visa), Mads Henriksveen - (Buypass
AS), Martijn Katerbarg - (Sectigo), Michelle Coon - (OATI), Nargis
Mannan - (VikingCloud), Nate Smith - (GoDaddy), Nicol So -
(CommScope), Paul van Brouwershaven - (Entrust), Pedro Fuentes -
(OISTE Foundation), Peter Miskovic - (Disig), Rebecca Kelley -
(Apple), Rollin Yu - (TrustAsia Technologies Inc), Scott Rea -
(eMudhra), Stephen Davidson - (DigiCert), Tadahiko Ito - (SECOM
Trust Systems), Thomas Zermeno - (SSL.com), Tobias Josefowitz -
(Opera Software AS), Trevoli Ponds-White - (Amazon), Wendy Brown -
(US Federal PKI Management Authority), Yoshihiko Matsuo - (Japan
Registry Services).<b><br>
</b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u>Minutes</u></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>1. Roll Call:</b> Dimitris conducted roll
call<b><u><br>
</u></b></p>
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style="margin-left:18.0pt;mso-add-space:
auto;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><b><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">2. </span></span></b><b>Note-well:
</b>Dimitris read the note-well. </p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst"
style="margin-left:18.0pt;mso-add-space:
auto;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><b><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">3.<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span></b><b>Review
of Agenda: </b>There were no changes to the agenda.</p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"
style="margin-left:18.0pt;mso-add-space:
auto;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><b><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">4.<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span></b><b>Approval
of minutes from the August 31 Teleconference (minutes were
distributed October 3rd)</b>: No objections, minutes were
approved.</p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"
style="margin-left:18.0pt;mso-add-space:
auto;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><b><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">5.<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span></b><b>Approval
of minutes from the September 28 Teleconference (minutes were
distributed October 24th)</b>: No objections, minutes were
approved.</p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"
style="margin-left:18.0pt;mso-add-space:
auto;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><b><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">6.<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span></b><b>Approval
of <span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"><a
href="https://wiki.cabforum.org/books/meetings/page/meeting-60-minutes"
moz-do-not-send="true">Forum-level Minutes for F2F 60</a></span></b>:
<br>
</p>
<ol type="A" start="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1">
<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Updates
received yesterday (10/25) from Google Chrome team related to
the root program update. </span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1">
<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Postponing
approval until next call. </span></li>
</ol>
<b><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">7.<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span></b><b>Server
Certificate Working Group update </b>– Kiran Tummala<br>
<ul>
<li>Last meeting was during Face-to-Face</li>
<ul>
<li>Planning to look at old open issues and ID orders for them</li>
</ul>
<li>Ballots – will discuss during server cert working group
portion</li>
</ul>
<b><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">8.<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span></b><b>Code
Signing Certificate Working Group update </b>– Bruce Morton<br>
<ul>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>No meeting for Code Signing Certificate last week.</li>
<li>Bruce mentioned that the group is working on 5 ballots.</li>
<li>One ballot is moving SSL reference, and IPR review period ends
tomorrow.</li>
<li>Drafted text for updating signing service, high-risk
applications, and timestamping changes.</li>
<li>Discussion about removing references to the EV guidelines (a
future ballot).</li>
<li>Key generation in hardware for students discussed, to be
addressed in the October face-to-face meeting.</li>
</ul>
<ul>
</ul>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"
style="margin-left:18.0pt;mso-add-space:
auto;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><b><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">9.<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span></b><b>S/MIME
Certificate Working Group update</b> – Stephen Davidson</p>
<ul>
<li> Ballot in discussion for Drop In references to ETSI TS 119
411-6 cross-referencing the BRs for those that do ETSI audits.</li>
<li>Ongoing discussions related to observations during
implementation</li>
<ul>
<li>Clarify standard language or improve upon it</li>
</ul>
<li>CAA for S/MIME up next</li>
<li>Legacy policy related to use of Common Name field in OV
profiles<br>
</li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"
style="margin-left:18.0pt;mso-add-space:
auto;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><b><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">10. </span></span></b><b>Forum
Infrastructure Subcommittee update</b> – Wayne Thayer<br>
</p>
<ul>
<li>Call last week discussed issues with mailing system
(specifically Gmail – believe they (AWS) are rate limiting based
on IP address) – potential upgrade of mail system.<br>
</li>
</ul>
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style="margin-left:18.0pt;mso-add-space:
auto;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><b><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">11.<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span></b><b>NetSec
Working Group update </b>– Clint Wilson</p>
<ul>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>Call this week</li>
<li>Draft Ballot which replaces section 4 from CSA Cloud Controls
Matrix – working through licensing for CA/B Forum to include in
requirements</li>
<li>Re-organization of NSCRs and how that will work in conjunction
with the section change noted above</li>
<li>Section 5 draft (offline environments) specific to Root CA
systems<br>
</li>
</ul>
<b><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">1<font size="2" face="Arial">2.<span
style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-language-override: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-variation-settings: normal;">
</span></font></span></span></b><font face="Arial"><span
lang="EN-GB"><font size="2"><b>SCWG charter update</b> - Ben
Wilson</font><br>
<br>
Ballot distributed to public list – discussion period ends
Monday, 10/30/2023. If no comments, it will proceed to voting.<br>
<br>
<font size="2"><b>13. CSCWG charter update</b> - Martijn</font></span></font><font
size="2"> Katerbarg</font><br>
<font face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB"><br>
Draft in progress – added clarification around time-stamping
certificates; removing old Bylaws version reference and fixing
forum calculation which isn’t valid according to the charter.
Pull request: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://github.com/cabforum/forum/pull/40/files"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/cabforum/forum/pull/40/files</a>.
Looking for endorsers – HARICA will endorse.<br>
</span></font><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB"></span></font>
<ul>
</ul>
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style="margin-left:18.0pt;mso-add-space:
auto;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><b><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">14.<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span></b><b>Separation
of Forum and SCWG bi-weekly Teleconference</b></p>
<ul>
<li>Dimitris has prepared a draft survey – awaiting peer feedback
prior to distributing out</li>
<li>The Forum should receive 1 vote per member – if multiple
representatives, then we want 1 answer for the member and which
option of the slots they prefer – can either send the ballot to
ONE representative and they can cast the vote OR send to all
representatives, they can all vote but only the LAST one
submitted counts. First option – will send email to management
list and request one email address to be given for the ballot
process. Or could have a Google doc/spreadsheet or wiki page
where people can add their own – can pre-populate that. It is
not just Voting Members because Associate Members can
participate in the poll. Dimitris will add the members to a
page, then will send an email to ask the voting representatives
to designate an email address.</li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"
style="margin-left:18.0pt;mso-add-space:
auto;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><b><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">15.<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span></b><b>Any
Other Business<br>
</b></p>
<ul>
<li>In two weeks, several industry meetings: ESI 81 in Brussels;
PKI Consortium Postquantum meeting in Amsterdam; IETF week as
well. S/MIME group has cancelled their meeting that week
(November 6th week) – this group has a planned meeting on 11/09;
recommendation to postpone. Two weeks after that is
Thanksgiving holiday in the U.S. meaning next meeting would be
12/07/2023. Any objection to cancel next TWO meetings? No
objections.</li>
<li>Sign up for next Face-to-Face in New Delhi (eMudhra)</li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"
style="margin-left:18.0pt;mso-add-space:
auto;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><b><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">16.<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span></b><b>Next
Meeting </b>– December 7, 2023<br>
</p>
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style="margin-left:18.0pt;mso-add-space:
auto;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><b><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">17.<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span></b><b>Adjourned
</b></p>
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style="margin-left:18.0pt;mso-add-space:auto"><b> </b></p>
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