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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 14/9/2020 8:08 μ.μ., Ryan Sleevi
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      <div dir="ltr">Yes, I'm aware of the "what", but it's not clear
        the "why".
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        <div>The act of combining ballots is relatively new, as you can
          see from <a
            href="https://cabforum.org/baseline-requirements-documents/"
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          . Producing multiple versions of the Guidelines, linear based
          on when the Ballot concluded, was something our GitHub flow
          intentionally was to make easy. While that page stopped
          listing dates of adoption around Ballot 189, you can see
          previous ballot pairs (e.g. 171+164, 125+118+134+135) that did
          that.</div>
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        <div>It seems worth figuring out the challenges you're facing,
          since it was meant to be very easy to create a new version of
          the document for each ballot, even ballots that conclude
          closely, and to have IP reviews as such.</div>
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    The administrative overhead of updating public web sites, sending
    additional emails, and the fact that we would have versions of the
    Guidelines that would be valid for a few seconds (which seems
    unreasonable for a public standards document), are some of the
    reasons behind aggregated final guidelines. Version 1.6.4 aggregated
    3 ballots, 1.6.7 and 1.7.1. had 2 and now 1.7.2. <br>
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    This process was discussed with Dean and Wayne back in February
    2019, and we all considered it compliant with our Bylaws. The
    results of each IPR review period were sent to the public lists
    without receiving any objections or concerns.<br>
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    Although we have documented a GitHub workflow that supports the most
    common case (one ballot, one IPR review, one Final Maintenance
    Guideline), it should not prohibit aggregated ballots to minimize
    administrative overhead or the production of Guidelines that have
    some reasonable validity time.<br>
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    If there are strong objections to this process, we can revise it
    going forward.<br>
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    Thanks,<br>
    Dimitris.<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 11:46
          AM Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <<a
            href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr" moz-do-not-send="true">dzacharo@harica.gr</a>>
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            <div>On 2020-09-14 5:45 μ.μ., Ryan Sleevi wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">Dimitris: Could you explain why it's
                necessary to integrate?
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                <div>It seems much better to have Ballot -> Distinct
                  BR version, and there's nothing in our IP policy I'm
                  aware of that requires you to send them as a combined
                  review.</div>
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            The result of the IPR review will produce a new version of
            the Guidelines. Having two ballots with two IPR review
            periods would probably require creating two versions of the
            Guidelines, which is why we've been trying to combine
            reviews in the past, so we can bump up one version of the
            Guideline.<br>
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            Hope this helps.<br>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 14, 2020
                  at 4:38 AM Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via
                  Servercert-wg <<a
                    href="mailto:servercert-wg@cabforum.org"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">servercert-wg@cabforum.org</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
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                    I just realized that ballot SC28 also contains
                    changes to the BRs so I will create a combined IPR
                    review for ballots SC35 and SC28 later today. <br>
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                    Thank you,<br>
                    Dimitris.<br>
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                    <div>On 2020-09-14 11:02 π.μ., Dimitris
                      Zacharopoulos (HARICA) wrote:<br>
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