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Hi Tony,<br>
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Let's not.<br>
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The CA/Browser Forum is not the proper venue to discuss such legal
debates. The Forums is more focused on discussing technical
standards and policy, not debates between legal entities.<br>
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Thanks for understanding.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
Dimitris Zacharopoulos<br>
CA/B Forum Chair<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2020-06-12 6:24 μ.μ., Tony Rutkowski
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://www.theregister.com/2020/06/10/lets_encrypt_trademark_complaints/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.theregister.com/2020/06/10/lets_encrypt_trademark_complaints/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is preposterous and an abuse of the
trademark and standards systems.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">If you use the US Patent and Trademark
Office online system, you can see the full history.<br>
<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=tess&state=4810:tltw3o.1.1</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Click on Basic Word Mark Search and enter
“Let’s Encrypt”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This was originally Comodo’s mark filed on
16 Oct 2015 and abandoned 25 June 2016. Thirteen days later,
ISRG as a non-profit 501.c.3 filed for the mark.
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<p class="MsoNormal">A considerable number of entities have used
the term in the marketplace for all kinds of purposes as a
political movement. Google Search finds about 6,840,00 of
them going back almost 20 years.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It is found 447 times in the IETF alone for
advancing all manner of activities without ever disclosing a
trademark assertion.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For the ISRG to threaten some other company
for using the term “Let’s Encrypt” with the arguments at the
end of The Register article is preposterous<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Lastly and most significantly, the actual
Let’s Encrypt word mark – Serial Number 88828174 was just
filed on 10 March 2020, asserting first use in commerce on 24
Feb 2020, and is just being published for Opposition on 7 July
2020.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It is time to LET’S OPPOSE<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">--tony<o:p></o:p></p>
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