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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2020-02-28 5:29 μ.μ., Ryan Sleevi
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<div>Hi Dimitris,</div>
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<div>There's a lot of changes here, and this will take us quite
a bit of time to digest.</div>
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<div>I don't know that we're necessarily supportive of the "Full
Member" definition, and the implications that has. The
implicit consequences of treating Interested Parties as
Members of the Forum is not what was intended with the current
Bylaws, as I understand it, and so it has ramifications
throughout. That is, our definitions have historically been
"Member, Associate Member, Interested Party" - with zero
overlap. This seems to redefine things to be "Full Member,
Associate Member, Interested Party", with using "Member" as
the aggregate term for all three, and it's unclear why that
was necessary.</div>
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The concern that was documented in the Bylaws issues was that it
becomes confusing when we use plural (i.e. Forum Members, WG
Members). Does that include "all Members"? Does it include only
"Members" (with a capital "M")? Does it include every Forum member?
That's mainly the problem I tried to solve by adding the "Full
Member" definition. However, if we can find an alternative approach
to achieve the same goal, I would support it.<br>
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<div>However, the biggest concern remains with the approach to
the Chair / Vice Chair making changes to "Informative"
sections. We're tremendously appreciative of your efforts here
in finding a solution, and we're trying to work through how
best to propose changes that capture the intent. We're very
appreciative of the explicit attempt to limit the scope in
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Thank you for that, all I did was include some language that was
proposed in previous meeting. I hope it will only require a few more
tweaks to become acceptable by Google.<br>
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Dimitris.<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 6:15
AM Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via Public <<a
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I just received a comment that Section 2.3 point 7 also
needs to precede all occurrences of "Member" with "Full",
as Interested Parties are sometimes able to participate in
Forum Teleconferences, etc, and so may affect the quorum
without a corresponding ability to vote.<br>
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So, I updated this paragraph to:<br>
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"7. A ballot result will be considered valid only when
more than half of the number of currently active <font
color="#ff0000">Full </font>Members has participated.
The number of currently active Full Members is the average
number of <font color="#ff0000">Full </font>Member
organizations that have participated in the previous three
(3) Forum Meetings and Forum Teleconferences."<br>
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There is no need to circulate a new version yet. I'll wait
for more feedback.<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Dimitris.<br>
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<div>On 2020-02-27 8:51 μ.μ., Dimitris Zacharopoulos
(HARICA) via Public wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"> Following up from the latest F2F
meeting, I have prepared a ballot for a Bylaws update. <br>
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I am looking for two endorsers.<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Dimitris.<br>
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<b>Purpose of Ballot:</b> The Forum has identified and
discussed a number of improvements to be made to the
current version of the Bylaws to improve clarity and
allow the Forum to function more effectively. Most of
these changes are described in the “I<a
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EtrIy3F5cPge0_M-C8J6fe72KcVI8H5Q_2S6S31ynU0"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ssues with
Bylaws to be addressed</a>” document.<br>
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Here is a list of major changes:<br>
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<li>Clarification of the use of the term “Member” so
it is clear when we discuss about all Forum Members
(which includes Associate Members and Interested
Parties), and when we discuss about the “Full
Members”. <br>
</li>
<li>Adding the term “Voting Representative” which is
designated by each Member. Only votes submitted by
Voting Representatives will be considered</li>
<li>Replacing of the term “Forum wiki” with the
properly defined term “Member Web Site”</li>
<li>Removing references for Webmaster in the
definition of “Public Web Site” since it is repeated
in section 5.2</li>
<li>New Photography Policy in Exhibit D</li>
<li>Clarification of 4.1 (2) that Forum Members
nominate representatives</li>
<li>Allowing informative changes to Guidelines by the
Chair or Vice Chair<br>
</li>
<li>In 5.3.1 require that a Certificate Issuer is
trusted in the “latest” software produced by a
Certificate Consumer</li>
</ol>
<b>— MOTION BEGINS –</b><br>
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<b>Amendment to the Bylaws:</b> Replace the entire text
of the Bylaws of the CA/Browser Forum with the attached
version (CA-Browser Forum Bylaws draft v2.3.pdf).<br>
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</b><b>— MOTION ENDS –</b><br>
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A red-line is also attached (CA-Browser Forum Bylaws
draft v2.3 redline.pdf).<br>
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<p>The procedure for approval of this ballot is as
follows:</p>
<p>Formal discussion period: (14+ days)</p>
<p>Ballot Discussion Begins: March XX, 2020 19:00 UTC</p>
<p>Ballot Discussion Ends: March XX, 2020 19:00 UTC</p>
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<p>Vote for approval (7 days)</p>
<p>Ballot Vote Begins: TBD</p>
<p>Ballot Vote Ends: TBD</p>
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