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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">Published!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">-- <br>
Jos Purvis (<a href="mailto:jopurvis@cisco.com"><span style="color:#954F72">jopurvis@cisco.com</span></a>)<br>
.:|:.:|:. cisco systems | Cryptographic Services<br>
PGP: 0xFD802FEE07D19105 | +1 919.991.9114 (desk)</span><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Public <public-bounces@cabforum.org> on behalf of CA/B Forum Public List <public@cabforum.org><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA)" <dzacharo@harica.gr>, CA/B Forum Public List <public@cabforum.org><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, October 17, 2019 at 12:48 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>CA/B Forum Public List <public@cabforum.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[cabfpub] Final Minutes for CA/Browser Forum Teleconference - October 3, 2019<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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These are the Final Minutes of the Teleconference described in the subject of this message.
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<h2>Attendees (in alphabetical order)<o:p></o:p></h2>
<p class="MsoNormal">Ben Wilson (Digicert), Bruce Morton (Entrust Datacard), Chris Kemmerer (SSL.com), Daniela Hood (GoDaddy), Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA), Doug Beattie (GlobalSign), Dustin Hollenback (Microsoft), Enrico Entschew (D-TRUST), Gordon Bock
(Microsoft), Inaba Atsushi (GlobalSign), India Donald (US Federal PKI Management Authority), Janet Hines (SecureTrust), Jos Purvis (Cisco Systems), Kenneth Myers (US Federal PKI Management Authority), Kirk Hall (Entrust Datacard), Li-Chun Chen (Chunghwa Telecom),
Mads Henriksveen (Buypass AS), Michelle Coon (OATI), Mike Reilly (Microsoft), Neil Dunbar (TrustCor Systems), Niko Carpenter (SecureTrust), Rich Smith (Sectigo), Ryan Sleevi (Google), Shelley Brewer (Digicert), Timo Schmitt (SwissSign), Tobias Josefowitz (Opera
Software AS), Trevoli Ponds-White (Amazon), Wayne Thayer (Mozilla), Wendy Brown (US Federal PKI Management Authority).
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<h2>Minutes <o:p></o:p></h2>
<h3>1. Roll Call<o:p></o:p></h3>
<p class="MsoNormal">The Chair took attendance. <o:p></o:p></p>
<h3>2. Read Antitrust Statement<o:p></o:p></h3>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The Antitrust Statement was read.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<h3>3. Review Agenda<o:p></o:p></h3>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">No changes to the agenda.<o:p></o:p></p>
<h3>4. Approval of minutes from previous teleconference<o:p></o:p></h3>
<p class="MsoNormal">The minutes from the previous teleconference were approved and will be circulated to the public list.<o:p></o:p></p>
<h3>5. Forum Infrastructure Working Group update<o:p></o:p></h3>
<p class="MsoNormal">Jos provided the update. Ballot Forum-10 has passed and the Infrastructure Working Group will be converted to a Forum subcommittee. The changes are already described in the ballot.<br>
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Converting the BRs to be "pandoc-friendly" was discussed in previous meetings. Jos has created a red-lined version of how this would look like and it was agreed to introduce these changes on a separate ballot and not in the "cleanup" ballot. Dimitris asked
if this "pandoc friendly" view would be rendered correctly in the GitHub markdown viewer. Jos replied that he does not expect any issues with that as pandoc uses native features of markdown. He recommended members to check the final result of that pull request
and if there are no issues, Jos can proceed with the ballot.<br>
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Jos mentioned that some maintenance work needs to take place on the server hosting the mailing list and asked when would that be best to happen. Reboots during voting periods should be avoided as much as possible. Members did not raise concerns over discussion
periods because the proposer would be able to extend the discussion period for the time that the mailing list is unavailable before starting the voting period.<br>
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As a general case, Jos recommended that we declare a maintenance window on a monthly or quarterly basis on which day no voting can take place or if it in the middle of a voting period, that day does not count (the clock stops for 24 hours) for the 7-day voting
period. That would be helpful to perform the necessary maintenance work and not risk of delivering people's votes. Ryan thought it was a great idea. Jos asked if this proposal would require a ballot. Kirk mentioned that if we are to add an extra day for voting
as described and the Bylaws mentions 7 days, that would probably require a change in the Bylaws. The alternative would require some coordination with the ballot proposers so they don't start a voting period that includes the maintenance window day.<br>
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Ryan said that we need to communicate this as clearly as possible and agrees with Kirk that adding a day would require a change to the Bylaws. We do have a procedure on the wiki on how to prepare a ballot and all the steps that take place, so this maintenance
window "check" should be described in that procedure. Members should be periodically "reminded" of this maintenance window.<br>
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Wayne recommended we discuss this topic some more in the Infrastructure Working Group/Subcommittee because there might be alternative options that would be more flexible and solve the problem in better ways. He recommended that someone should declare the beginning
and end of maintenance window to indicate that the mailing lists would be "unreliable" even if no voting took place.<br>
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Jos agreed to send a start and stop of this month's maintenance window and will bring it for discussion in the infrastructure subcommittee.<o:p></o:p></p>
<h3>6. Code Signing Working Group update <o:p></o:p></h3>
<p class="MsoNormal">Bruce mentioned that the WG did not have a meeting last week so there is no report.
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7. Follow-up on new S/MIME WG Charter<o:p></o:p></h3>
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It seems that there is some interest for this WG to move forward, the Forum received a question related to that. Dimitris will reach out to Tim and ask if he has any plans to move this forward. If he is overwhelmed with other work someone else should draft
a charter and send it for discussion. We need something for the F2F.<o:p></o:p></p>
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8. F2F 48 Agenda<o:p></o:p></h3>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
The draft agenda is up on the wiki. Dimitris mentioned about the photo policy to be discussed. He also reserved a slot to discuss about Bylaws issues since there was no feedback on the mailing list. Members are requested to check and propose new items to discuss
at the F2F. <o:p></o:p></p>
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9. Any Other Business<o:p></o:p></h3>
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None.<o:p></o:p></p>
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10. Next call<o:p></o:p></h3>
<p class="MsoNormal">October 17, 2019 at 11:00 am Eastern Time. <o:p></o:p></p>
<h3>Adjourned<o:p></o:p></h3>
<h3>F2F Meeting Schedule: <o:p></o:p></h3>
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2019: November 5-7– Guangzhou (GDCA)<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
2020: Feb<span style="color:red"> </span><span style="color:black">18-20 </span>Bratislava (Disig), June – Minneapolis (OATI), October – Tokyo (GlobalSign)<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
2021: Feb-March Dubai (DarkMatter), June – Poland (Asseco-Certum), October <span style="color:red">
[Open]</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
2022: Mar-April New Delhi / Bengaluru (e-Mudhra), June - <span style="color:red">
[Open]</span>, October <span style="color:red">[Open]</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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