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These are the Final Minutes of the Teleconference described in
the subject of this message.<br>
<h2 class="MsoNormal">Attendees (in alphabetical order)</h2>
Arno Fiedler (D-TRUST), Ben Wilson (Digicert), Daniela Hood
(GoDaddy), Dean Coclin (Digicert), Dimitris Zacharopoulos
(HARICA), Doug Beattie (GlobalSign), Dustin Hollenback
(Microsoft), Gordon Bock (Microsoft), Inaba Atsushi
(GlobalSign), Janet Hines (SecureTrust), Joanna Fox (GoDaddy),
Kenneth Myers (US Federal PKI Management Authority), Li-Chun
Chen (Chunghwa Telecom), Michelle Coon (OATI), Mike Reilly
(Microsoft), Neil Dunbar (TrustCor Systems), Peter Miskovic
(Disig), Rich Smith (Sectigo), Robin Alden (Sectigo), Ryan
Sleevi (Google), Shelley Brewer (Digicert), Tim Callan
(Sectigo), Tim Hollebeek (Digicert), Tim Shirley (SecureTrust),
Timo Schmitt (SwissSign), Tobias Josefowitz (Opera Software AS),
Trevoli Ponds-White (Amazon), Wayne Thayer (Mozilla).
<h2 class="MsoNormal">Minutes <br>
</h2>
<h3> 1. Roll Call<br>
</h3>
The Chair took attendance.<br>
<h3 class="MsoNormal">2. Read Antitrust Statement<br>
</h3>
<p class="MsoNormal">The Antitrust Statement was read. </p>
<h3 class="MsoNormal">3. Review Agenda<br>
</h3>
<p class="MsoNormal">No changes to the agenda.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<h3 class="MsoNormal">4. Approval of minutes from previous
teleconference</h3>
The minutes from the previous teleconference were approved and
will be circulated to the public list.<br>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<h3>5. Forum Infrastructure Working Group update</h3>
No update.<br>
<h3 class="MsoNormal">6. Code Signing Working Group update </h3>
<p>Dean mentioned that the Final Guideline will be posted on the
public web site and will ask the CA Security Council to update
its link. The WG discussed about creating a separate
timestamping document and whether the CSCWG should be
re-chartered to include a timestamping certificates,
associated with the id-kp-timeStamping EKU, in scope. Dean
will discuss with Bruce to figure out what the plans are. <br>
</p>
<p>Ben talked about the need to recharter to make things as
clean as possible. The existing guideline describes
timestamping issues and if the WG was to make any edits to
those parts, it should probably be better to re-Charter to
specifically include the EKU of time stamping, as it relates
to code signing and not necessarily try to create a separate
time stamping working group. So, this would be like a first
step and then if it was necessary, a separate time stamping
working group could be chartered.<br>
</p>
<p>Arno mentioned that Europe and European CAs are issuing
qualified timestamps for almost 15 years and there are well
defined standards, policies by ETSI about timestamps. <br>
</p>
<p>Ryan also mentioned that this was discussed at the last F2F
and more specifically during the S/MIME working group session
where re-chartering was one of the topics. Google is not
supportive of the Code Signing Working Group taking actions on
time stamping. He noted that Time-stamping is not a
code-signing issue but a broader problem which needs to be
separate from code-signing. He also restated Arno's comment
about the European experience for 15 years and the fact that
timestamps are actively being used along with document signing
and archiving. There is no specific EKU for time stamping in
relation only to code signing. The suggestion was to create a
different Working Group with a separate Charter. <br>
</p>
<p>Dean also added that the Working Group is preparing an
information sharing sheet, know who to contact, when to
contact for code signing issues, malware etc.</p>
<p>Gordon asked if the solution to time stamping was the
formation of a new Working Group and Dean replied that there
are a couple of options to consider, one being that the WG
doesn't "touch" what's in the current document and leave it
the way it is.<br>
</p>
<p>Ryan also asked whether the WG adopted a document that
provides guidance for time stamping that is outside the
charter. Dean responded that the WG just adopted a document
that already existed. He would take this discussion back to
the WG to revisit.<br>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:1.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.0pt;margin-left:0in">7.
Follow-up on new S/MIME WG Charter</h3>
<br>
No update.<br>
<br>
<h3 class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:1.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.0pt;margin-left:0in">8.
Any Other Business</h3>
Mike asked if Members would be interested to explore about
updating the name "CA/Browser Forum" for the larger Forum
especially since we have already added Code Signing Working
Group, will add S/MIME and even Time Stamping Working Group.<br>
<br>
Tim H was curious about a proposed name. Would be supportive of
changing it. Dean mentioned that we have distinguished
Certificate Consumers for each Working Group but if there are
particular proposals that could better represent the whole
Forum, we should discuss further.<br>
<br>
Ryan added that the term Application Software Suppliers could be
resurrected.<br>
<br>
Arno and Dimitris considered the CA/B Forum a good marketing
name which is widely recognizable. The "brand" name is a very
important asset.<br>
<br>
Dimitris added a topic for resurrecting the governance
subcommittee as it was discussed at the last F2F. He reminded
participants that he sent an e-mail to the management list a few
weeks back and asked if there is interest in pursuing that. If
not, Members would have to individually tackle some of the
bylaws changes proposals and present them to the Forum.<br>
<br>
Ryan mentioned that SubCommittees need to be formed via ballot
so he repeated his proposal at the F2F meeting which was to
distinguish the most pressing matters for governance and create
a ballot. The question is whether we need a Forum subcommittee
to work on those issues or if we should continue to discuss at
the Forum's plenary list. Ryan proposed we start discussing some
of these issues on the Forum public list and see if we can make
progress on priorities. Members can also have calls between
themselves, if they need to discuss issues real time, without
requiring the creation of a Subcommittee. This would help
validate whether we should establish a Subcommittee and whether
regular calls would be beneficial. One of the popular topics
lately is the document version control, flexibility for the
Chair or vice-Chair to make non-normative edits to the Final
Guidelines, Forum Members and representatives where practically
every Company representative has the full privileges for voting,
participating, posting, etc. These are important issues that
should be discussed and resolved. We have had governance
discussions during the regular plenary forum teleconference in
the past so we could try to continue and see where this leads
to.<br>
<br>
Dimitris agreed to that approach but also mentioned that the
Google document with open issues has listed about 11 issues to
be addressed so we need to prioritize. He will send a new
message to the list to get some more feedback.<br>
<br>
Dean reminded Members that plan to attend F2F 48 and 49 to
signup and update the participant tables on the wiki so that the
hosts can plan ahead.<br>
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Next call<br>
</h3>
September 5, 2019 at 11:00 am Eastern Time.
<h3 class="MsoNormal">Adjourned</h3>
<h3><b>F2F Meeting Schedule: </b></h3>
<ul>
<li>2019: November 5-7– Guangzhou (GDCA)</li>
<li>2020: Feb<font color="#ff0000"> <font color="#000000">18-20
</font></font>Bratislava (Disig), June – Minneapolis
(OATI), October – Tokyo (GlobalSign)</li>
<li>2021: Feb-March Dubai (DarkMatter), June – Poland
(Asseco-Certum), October <font color="#ff0000">[Open]</font></li>
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