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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>I like it.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>-Tim<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Wayne Thayer <wthayer@mozilla.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 25, 2019 11:22 AM<br><b>To:</b> Tim Hollebeek <tim.hollebeek@digicert.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <dzacharo@harica.gr>; CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <public@cabforum.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] Bylaws 2.2 Pre-Ballot<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'd like to propose an alternative that facilitates markdown formatting and the change to numbers in section 5.3.1: Add the following to the end of section 5.3.1:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>(a) To resolve references to section 5.3.1(a), refer to section 5.3.1(1).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>(e) To resolve references to section 5.3.1(e), refer to section 5.3.1(5).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Would this be acceptable?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 10:30 AM Tim Hollebeek <<a href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I would suggest that this means we need to stick to letters for 5.3.1 for now, and remember to avoid making the same mistake in the future.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-Tim<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor blue'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> Public <<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via Public<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:35 PM<br><b>To:</b> Wayne Thayer <<a href="mailto:wthayer@mozilla.com" target="_blank">wthayer@mozilla.com</a>>; CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] Bylaws 2.2 Pre-Ballot<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>I checked the IPR Policy to find any cross-references to the Bylaws that might be affected by the change of letters to numbers, and discovered that in section 8.3 "Other Key Definitions", there is a definition under letter "l" that defines the term "Working Group" which references 5.3.1 (a) and 5.3.1 (e) of the Bylaws.<br><br>I'm not sure how we can overcome this. Is it clear to everyone that (a) corresponds to 1, (b) corresponds to 2 and so on?<br><br><br>Dimitris.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On 25/4/2019 1:53 π.μ., Wayne Thayer via Public wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Some additional fixes have been made to the Bylaws document. Here is the latest:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="https://github.com/cabforum/documents/blob/26b2432038dd5445a4ae8b5783a95bbacd4a4b95/docs/Bylaws.md" target="_blank">https://github.com/cabforum/documents/blob/26b2432038dd5445a4ae8b5783a95bbacd4a4b95/docs/Bylaws.md</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The changes are:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>1. Fixed formatting of "Member" in the definitions section.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>2. Changed the list formatting throughout the doc to comply with the quirky rules of markdown. Lists that used to be lettered are now numbered and vice versa.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>3. Addressed side-effects of moving membership criteria out of section 2.1 and into the WG Charters. Here is the redline:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="https://github.com/cabforum/documents/compare/930d568..26b2432" target="_blank">https://github.com/cabforum/documents/compare/930d568..26b2432</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>* We still vote in categories at the Forum level, so those category definitions are needed in the Bylaws. I added language that aligns Forum membership categories with CWG membership categories.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>* Associate Member and Interested Party membership still happens at the Forum level. Added references to those membership types in section 2.1<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>This last change is significant, so I will appreciate everyone's review and comments. I now have two endorsers, so if there are no concerns with these changes we can begin the discussion period.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Wayne<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 3:55 PM Wayne Thayer <<a href="mailto:wthayer@mozilla.com" target="_blank">wthayer@mozilla.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)'><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Below is a proposed ballot for the Bylaws updates that we have been discussing for some time.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>As I mentioned on today's call, I have referenced the documents on GitHub in the body of the ballot rather than attaching PDFs as was done in the last major Bylaws ballot. I have used permalinks that preserve the exact version in the ballot, even if changes are later made to the branch. Please let me know if you have concerns with this approach.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I'm looking for one more endorser so that I can assign a ballot number and begin the review period.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I would also appreciate everyone's review of these changes - there are a lot of changes and thus opportunities for mistakes.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>- Wayne<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>===========<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Ballot Forum-#<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Purpose of Ballot: The Forum has identified and discussed a number of improvements to be made to the current version of the bylaws to improve clarity and allow the Forum to function more effectively.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>The following motion has been proposed by Wayne Thayer of Mozilla and endorsed by Dimitris Zacharopoulos of HARICA and XXX of YYY to amend the Bylaws of the CA/Browser Forum and the Server Certificate Working Group Charter.<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p>— MOTION BEGINS –<o:p></o:p></p><p>1. Amendment to the Bylaws: replace the entire text of the bylaws with the following:<o:p></o:p></p><p><a href="https://github.com/cabforum/documents/blob/52fd23441fe6933ce36bb7256d609534ccf1fc84/docs/Bylaws.md" target="_blank">https://github.com/cabforum/documents/blob/52fd23441fe6933ce36bb7256d609534ccf1fc84/docs/Bylaws.md</a><o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p>2. Amendment to the Server Certificate Working Group Charter: replace the entire text of the SCWG Charter with the following:<o:p></o:p></p><p><a href="https://github.com/cabforum/documents/blob/52fd23441fe6933ce36bb7256d609534ccf1fc84/docs/SCWG-charter.md" target="_blank">https://github.com/cabforum/documents/blob/52fd23441fe6933ce36bb7256d609534ccf1fc84/docs/SCWG-charter.md</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>— MOTION ENDS –<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p>*** WARNING ***: USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. THE REDLINE BELOW IS NOT THE OFFICIAL VERSION OF THE CHANGES (CABF Bylaws, Section 2.4(a)):<o:p></o:p></p><p>A comparison of the changes can be found at: <a href="https://github.com/cabforum/documents/compare/master..bylaws2.2" target="_blank">https://github.com/cabforum/documents/compare/master..bylaws2.2</a><o:p></o:p></p><p>The procedure for approval of this ballot is as follows:<o:p></o:p></p><p>Formal discussion period: (14+ days)<o:p></o:p></p><p>Start time: TBD UTC<o:p></o:p></p><p>End Time: TBD UTC<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>Vote for approval (7 days)<o:p></o:p></p><p>Start time: TBD UTC<o:p></o:p></p><p>End time: TBD UTC<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Public mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">Public@cabforum.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/public" target="_blank">https://cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/public</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></body></html>