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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I’m not trying to be difficult, but I’m not sure there will always be agreement on how to interpret the phrase “</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">the
Forum shall not engage in activities that carry a significant risk of introducing encumbered intellectual property”. Clearly working on the development or amendment of Guidelines should be blocked. Can you give examples of “activities that carry a significant
risk of introducing encumbered intellectual property” that don’t involve Guidelines? I can’t think if any – the IRPA only addresses Guidelines.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I would hate to adopt a phrase like that if it resulted in fights on what non-Guidelines topics could be discussed at the Forum level.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Wayne Thayer [mailto:wthayer@mozilla.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 6, 2019 2:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kirk Hall <Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <public@cabforum.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL]Re: cabfpub] Bylaws: Add Forum Subcommittees<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kirk - I agree with your arguments that my proposed language is too broad but I also think that yours is a bit too narrow. How about:<br>
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“Due to the lack of IPR protection, Subcommittees of the Forum shall not engage in activities that carry a significant risk of introducing encumbered intellectual property, such as the development or amendment of Guidelines.”<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- Wayne<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 11:25 AM Kirk Hall <<a href="mailto:Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com">Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Wayne – as I said on the call, I think the restriction should be narrower. Something like “In order to avoid coming
within the scope of the IPR Agreement , the Forum and its Subcommittees shall not engage in the development or amendment of Guidelines.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The draft language you have below is almost impossible to apply – “any activity that could result in a claim infringement
of a Member's Intellectual Property”. If we discuss a draft Charter at the Forum level for creation of a new Anti-Gravity Certificate Working Group and we want to fine-tune the WG’s scope, we will certainly be discussing technical issues. How can we possibly
know whether or not our discussion “could result in a claim infringement of a Member's Intellectual Property”? I have no idea what Intellectual Property the other Members have.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">As another example, the Infrastructure WG may forward a proposal to the Forum for how we do our wiki, emails, etc.,
and ask for comments. I’m sure that several Members have IP relating to wikis, servers, email systems, etc. If we discuss the WG proposal at the Forum level, would that be an “activity that could result in a claim infringement of a Member's Intellectual
Property”? No, because the Forum will not be drafting Guidelines, and is not a WG.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We need to keep focused on the language of the IPRA and what it covers – which is only development of Guidelines
at the WG level. So long as the Forum (and its subcommittees) stays away from that, we should be good.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Public [mailto:<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Wayne Thayer via Public<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 24, 2019 9:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL][cabfpub] Bylaws: Add Forum Subcommittees</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">On today's call, we discussed the addition of the following section to the Bylaws:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">5.6 Subcommittees<br>
The Forum may establish subcommittees of the Forum by ballot to address any of the Forum’s business as specified in the ballot. Subcommittees are open to all Forum Members. A Forum Subcommittee may work on and recommend Forum ballots, complete delegated Forum
functions, or issue reports to the Forum that are within the subcommittee’s jurisdiction. Subcommittees must post all agendas and minutes on a public mail list.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Ryan proposed the addition of explicit language regarding IPR. Something like:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Subcommittees of the Forum shall not engage in any activity that could result in a claim infringement of a Member's Intellectual Property. Such activities include the discussion
or creation of Guidelines or similar standards-setting documents.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Comments?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Wayne<o:p></o:p></p>
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