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<p class="MsoNormal">These are the Final Minutes of the
Teleconference described in the subject of this message.</p>
<h2 class="MsoNormal">Attendees (in alphabetical order)</h2>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ben Wilson (Digicert), Chris Kemmerer
(SSL.com), Daymion Reynolds (GoDaddy), Dean Coclin (Digicert),
Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA), Doug Beattie (GlobalSign),
Dustin Hollenback (Microsoft), Fotis Loukos (SSL.com), Frank
Corday (Trustwave), Gordon Bock (Microsoft), Inaba Atsushi
(GlobalSign), India Donald (US Federal PKI Management
Authority), Joanna Fox (GoDaddy),
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Purvis (Cisco Systems), Kenneth Myers (US Federal PKI
Management Authority), Li-Chun Chen (Chunghwa Telecom),
Marcelo Silva (Visa), Michelle Coon (OATI), Neil Dunbar
(TrustCor Systems), Niko Carpenter (Trustwave), Peter Miskovic
(Disig), Rich Smith (Sectigo), Robin Alden (Sectigo), Tim
Callan (Sectigo), Tim Shirley (Trustwave), Trevoli Ponds-White
(Amazon), Wayne Thayer (Mozilla), Wendy Brown (US Federal PKI
Management Authority).</p>
<h2 class="MsoNormal">Minutes <br>
</h2>
<h3> 1. Roll Call<br>
</h3>
The Chair took attendance<br>
<h3 class="MsoNormal">2. Read Antitrust Statement<br>
</h3>
<p class="MsoNormal">The Chair read the Antitrust Statement. </p>
<h3 class="MsoNormal">3. Review Agenda<br>
</h3>
<p class="MsoNormal">Today's Agenda was approved.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<h3 class="MsoNormal">4. Application of eMudhra for CA/B Forum
Membership<br>
</h3>
eMudhra was accepted as a Full Member to the CA/B Forum. Dean to
make the announcements.<br>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<h3>5. Forum Infrastructure Working Group update</h3>
The Infrastructure WG met and discussed about the wiki. They
will try standing up a test instance of DocuWiki and see how
copying (converting) pages from moin-moin will work out. They
also talked about cloud-hosting solutions that might make things
a little easier. The WG will also look at sharepoint offered by
Microsoft.<br>
<br>
On the document management front, Wayne posted a set of
instructions on creating a red-lined version of a ballot using
GitHub. The WG plans on posting this guide to the wiki.
Hopefully members will look at these instructions, try them out
for ballots and see how they work.<br>
<br>
Finally, for the web site, the WG will soon spin up a test
version that will be setup in a "managed" Wordpress instance
that GoDaddy has and will hopefully make things easier compared
to managing a full copy of a server hosting this application.
The goal is to have a test and production site so people can try
out the test site and if they are ok, we can deploy the changes
to production. Migrating things off of the current server will
help decommissioning the existing GoDaddy's server.<br>
<br>
The WG also discussed about reaching out to Amazon, Google and
Microsoft asking for some cloud-infrastructure sponsorship to
host virtual machines and virtual appliances that will help the
Forum migrate to new services.<br>
<h3 class="MsoNormal">6. Follow-up on new WG Charters (Code
Signing, S/MIME) <br>
</h3>
Ben sent a draft charter for each candidate WG to a small group
of members for comments. He did not receive any comments for the
Code Signing WG Charter. Some blanks include sponsors and a
possible initial Chair until the first meeting of the WG. He is
looking for volunteers. He also mentioned that this Code Signing
Working Group should take care of the provenance of the Code
Signing requirements documents, adopt and move with those
documents as Guidelines.<br>
<br>
For the S/MIME WG Charter, Ben received some comments from
Dimitris and Wendy Brown. Individual identity should be
considered to be in-scope for the Charter but recognize that
this would be subsequent work. First, the S/MIME WG would focus
on validating e-mail addresses and work on Certificate Profile
issues.<br>
<br>
It was also mentioned that clientAuthentication should also be
included in-scope or at least not prohibited in an S/MIME
Certificate.<br>
<br>
Ben plans on working the drafts with the comments he received
and send them out to the public list. Similarly, he needs
someone to volunteer as an initial Chair for the S/MIME Working
Group. If anyone is interested in being an initial Chair for
either Working Groups, please contact Ben.<br>
<br>
There was a short discussion about Membership in a possible
S/MIME Working Group and how would Certificate Consumers look
like. <br>
- Marcelo asked how would the "Browsers" look like in the S/MIME
Working Group<br>
- Ben replied that they would not be members unless they
produced an S/MIME client.<br>
<br>
Ben wondered how this category would look like if the
clientAuthentication was added in-scope and whether Operating
Systems that use clientAuthentication for access to certain
resources would qualify as Certificate Consumers. What if a
Member doesn't produce an S/MIME Client but is using Client
Authentication?<br>
<br>
Dimitris said that clientAuth EKU is not prohibited in the
Baseline Requirements and should not be prohibited from S/MIME
Certificates either. The Charter should be primarily scoped for
S/MIME with validation rules for e-mail addresses and leave
possible room for identity but not particular rules for
clientAuthentication.<br>
<br>
Wendy's concern is restrictions on CAs for identity validation.
When a CA authenticates an individual and gives that individual
a Certificate that can be used for email signatures, it's
practically the same work you do to authenticate an individual
for a Certificate used for Client Authentication.<br>
<br>
Wayne recalled a discussion at the last F2F where we mentioned
that the broader the scope the harder for the WG to focus and
achieve any results. He agrees with Wendy's comments that the
Charter should not be too restrictive but a narrower scope to
start with would be better.<br>
<h3 class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:1.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.0pt;margin-left:0in">7.
Bylaws and Charter discussion group</h3>
<p>Ben mentioned that this topic is about working on
improvements to Bylaws, Charters and other governance issues,
and whether that work could be done as an informal group. He
has abandoned the idea of creating a charter for a WG for
these activities.</p>
<p>Rich said that with the current CA/B Forum structure with
Working Groups (basically doing all of the work), leaves the
Forum at large to basically discuss governance issues. He
doesn't see the benefit of a separate Governance Working
Group.</p>
<p>Wayne asked if we could have a smaller group to focus on
Governance topics on the regular CA/B Forum teleconference or
separate calls. He thinks there's nothing to forbid us from
doing that and believes it would be a good thing to do.</p>
<p>Dimitris recommended using the time of the CA/B Forum regular
teleconference calls to discuss Governance issues and
improvements, since the calls have become quite short and
there is usually free time. If we see that we don't have
enough time to discuss these governance topics, we can create
a separate Webex room and move governance discussions there.<br>
</p>
<p>Ben agreed and recommended we add these items to the end of
the agenda for each bi-weekly call, and use the public mailing
list to send out drafts.<br>
</p>
<h3 class="MsoNormal"
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Any Other Business</h3>
<br>
Dean asked who sends the Calendar invites to new members and Ben
responded that he can send eMudhra the Invitations. Dimitris
reminded Dean that there is a page on the wiki that stores the
Calendar meetings, passwords and .ics calendar files.<br>
<h3 class="MsoNormal"
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Upcoming F2F 46 meeting March 12-14, 2019 (hosted by Apple)</h3>
<br>
Dimitris sent a message to Apple's representatives with some
pending questions related to the F2F. Hotel information needs to
be published on the wiki and members will be informed as soon as
that happens. Will wait until Monday and will post the
currently-known information for hotel reservations on the wiki.<br>
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<h3 class="MsoNormal">10. Next call</h3>
<p class="MsoNormal">January 24, 2019 at 11:00 am Eastern Time.</p>
<h3 class="MsoNormal">Adjourned</h3>
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