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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/9/2018 5:57 μμ, Tim Hollebeek
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Thanks for
            read it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">I’d rather
            not delay the ballot or make it more complicated.  There are
            several ballots that would be much easier to handle if the
            Ballot 216 rules were back in place, and that includes
            migrating Legacy WGs to subcommittees.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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    Until the new Bylaws are voted, the existing one applies and allows
    the migration of LWGs to subcommittees. However, as we discussed on
    the last call, the rules for creating a new subcommittee under a CWG
    are exactly the same as migrating an LWG to a subcommittee.<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">On the
            subject of obsolete text, there’s actually a ton of it in
            the BRs as well.  For example, we still have on the books
            rules about how to handle issuing certificates for Internal
            Names that contain gTLDs that are under consideration by
            ICANN.  There’s also a bunch of “Effective Date from many
            years ago…” that could be simplified.  We still have rules
            about pre-2010 key sizes.  I was thinking of handling some
            of that cleanup in the “Minor Cleanups” branch.</span></p>
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    We do cleanups from time-to-time. The last one I remember was the
    SHA-1 deprecation effective dates in the main text. We keep this
    information only in section 1.2.2.<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">The issue
            with numbers that you note could be handled there as well.</span></p>
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    Sure, editorial changes can be drafted later.<br>
    <br>
    Dimitris.<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">-Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
                  style="color:windowtext"> Public
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org"><public-bounces@cabforum.org></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dimitris
                  Zacharopoulos via Public<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 11, 2018 7:43 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:public@cabforum.org">public@cabforum.org</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] Draft Ballot Forum-4 for
                  discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Tim, the changes seem to be in
            order. I have two suggestions.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <li class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
              level1 lfo3">Legacy WGs: If we delay this ballot for a
              couple of days and put it for vote after October 3rd, the
              language around Legacy Working Groups will be obsolete. I
              think it makes sense to wait a few days, remove section
              5.3.4 and language around LWG in section 5.2.<o:p></o:p></li>
            <li class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
              level1 lfo3">Consistency with representation of numbers in
              duration references: Sometimes, we use the text "7 days",
              sometimes we say "seven days" and sometimes we say "seven
              (7) days". I recommend changing all references with the
              format "seven (7) days".<o:p></o:p></li>
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            Thoughts?<br>
            Dimitris.<br>
            <br>
            <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On 11/9/2018 4:17 μμ, Tim Hollebeek via
              Public wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Reverting to using a draft ballot to
              get things right on the first try, since I can’t make
              updates once the discussion starts … if a few eagle-eyed
              people (Dimitris?  Ryan?) can review this ballot and the
              attached Bylaw changes, I’d appreciate it so we can get it
              up for vote quickly.<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Ballot FORUM-4: Fix mistakes made
              during passage of Governance Reform Ballot 206<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Purpose of Ballot<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">The Governance Reform ballot (Ballot
              206 under the old ballot numbering scheme) was extremely
              complicated and took roughly two years to draft.  There
              were two changes to the Bylaws that the Governance Reform
              Working Group intended to be included in the Governance
              Reform ballot that were accidentally not included in the
              final version of the Bylaws attached to Ballot 206:<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="1" type="1">
              <li class="MsoListParagraph"
                style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6">The
                changes to the rules about discussion periods that were
                approved in Ballot 216.<o:p></o:p></li>
              <li class="MsoListParagraph"
                style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6">Dimitris’
                fixes for the numbers of the ETSI standards required for
                membership, to more closely align with what we require
                for WebTrust<o:p></o:p></li>
            </ol>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">The attached version of the Bylaws
              restores the important discussion period changes that were
              approved by the members but then accidentally overwritten,
              and adopts Dimitris’ improvements which were intended by
              the Governance Reform Working Group to be in Ballot 206
              but were accidentally omitted.<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">The following motion has been proposed
              by Tim Hollebeek of DigiCert and endorsed by Wayne Thayer
              of Mozilla and Moudrick Dadashov of SSC.<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">--- MOTION BEGINS ---<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">This ballot replaces the “Bylaws of the
              CA/Browser Forum” version 1.9 with version 2.0 of those
              Bylaws, attached to this ballot.<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">--- MOTION ENDS ---<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">The procedure for approval of this
              ballot is as follows:<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Discussion (7 days)<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Start Time: 2018-09-12, 9:00 am Eastern
              Time<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">End Time: 2018-09-19, 9:00 am Eastern
              Time<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Vote for approval (7 days)<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Start Time: 2018-09-19, 9:00am Eastern
              Time<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">End Time: 2018-09-26, 9:00am Eastern
              Time<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
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              <o:p></o:p></p>
            <pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre>
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