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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>Thanks for read it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>I’d rather not delay the ballot or make it more complicated. There are several ballots that would be much easier to handle if the Ballot 216 rules were back in place, and that includes migrating Legacy WGs to subcommittees.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>On the subject of obsolete text, there’s actually a ton of it in the BRs as well. For example, we still have on the books rules about how to handle issuing certificates for Internal Names that contain gTLDs that are under consideration by ICANN. There’s also a bunch of “Effective Date from many years ago…” that could be simplified. We still have rules about pre-2010 key sizes. I was thinking of handling some of that cleanup in the “Minor Cleanups” branch.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>The issue with numbers that you note could be handled there as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>-Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='color:windowtext'> Public <public-bounces@cabforum.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dimitris Zacharopoulos via Public<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 11, 2018 7:43 AM<br><b>To:</b> public@cabforum.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] Draft Ballot Forum-4 for discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks Tim, the changes seem to be in order. I have two suggestions.<o:p></o:p></p><ol start=1 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3'>Legacy WGs: If we delay this ballot for a couple of days and put it for vote after October 3rd, the language around Legacy Working Groups will be obsolete. I think it makes sense to wait a few days, remove section 5.3.4 and language around LWG in section 5.2.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3'>Consistency with representation of numbers in duration references: Sometimes, we use the text "7 days", sometimes we say "seven days" and sometimes we say "seven (7) days". I recommend changing all references with the format "seven (7) days".<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Thoughts?<br>Dimitris.<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 11/9/2018 4:17 μμ, Tim Hollebeek via Public wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Reverting to using a draft ballot to get things right on the first try, since I can’t make updates once the discussion starts … if a few eagle-eyed people (Dimitris? Ryan?) can review this ballot and the attached Bylaw changes, I’d appreciate it so we can get it up for vote quickly.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Ballot FORUM-4: Fix mistakes made during passage of Governance Reform Ballot 206<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Purpose of Ballot<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The Governance Reform ballot (Ballot 206 under the old ballot numbering scheme) was extremely complicated and took roughly two years to draft. There were two changes to the Bylaws that the Governance Reform Working Group intended to be included in the Governance Reform ballot that were accidentally not included in the final version of the Bylaws attached to Ballot 206:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6'>The changes to the rules about discussion periods that were approved in Ballot 216.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6'>Dimitris’ fixes for the numbers of the ETSI standards required for membership, to more closely align with what we require for WebTrust<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The attached version of the Bylaws restores the important discussion period changes that were approved by the members but then accidentally overwritten, and adopts Dimitris’ improvements which were intended by the Governance Reform Working Group to be in Ballot 206 but were accidentally omitted.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The following motion has been proposed by Tim Hollebeek of DigiCert and endorsed by Wayne Thayer of Mozilla and Moudrick Dadashov of SSC.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>--- MOTION BEGINS ---<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>This ballot replaces the “Bylaws of the CA/Browser Forum” version 1.9 with version 2.0 of those Bylaws, attached to this ballot.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>--- MOTION ENDS ---<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The procedure for approval of this ballot is as follows:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Discussion (7 days)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Start Time: 2018-09-12, 9:00 am Eastern Time<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>End Time: 2018-09-19, 9:00 am Eastern Time<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Vote for approval (7 days)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Start Time: 2018-09-19, 9:00am Eastern Time<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>End Time: 2018-09-26, 9:00am Eastern Time<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Public mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Public@cabforum.org">Public@cabforum.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://clicktime.symantec.com/a/1/Q9lOWme-Ehm_zStW2eT0hvFnKQ2mGXNClHibn7Yrw5s=?d=DmRY5IUoPqFmPkX5xreQw_HIZ7cqmbMBSXFOYx1Pg5YDIB8982IbD_6IgMTj3LiNJdeBWZHZzOzaeM5Ls_oW2p7OnqCHLW93Uo1OSynXE0qzzTbd2GmvG-AdShqLD6885v0MgjSWxrRn5J08-fk0ezlleK4eyJQEoZHIXv2GgHCBjJaELh2OBcHY3erRC-nu96YqGPBpMUp7_rxut3cn--fOmBM3IQYj4N0IGMEConpMTT5L-S6vSdU0uAkJzZWVHubtyEXpNMjREgBRA0psLwZdoY8TICC30ErOvWs84dOZPMYhtW1cyTF1OWYO4I-fRuSHDa-tKECj_d9nfXkI06ZABR28kPWjv5w_WPf0j4dIvSiuxMadCkGfeLPQ7DEJe2s36yFNXZbI5zynKAyctJ1a&u=https%3A%2F%2Fcabforum.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpublic">https://cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/public</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>