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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Again, I disagree that a Proposer and Endorsers are required for the reasons I stated before – but if there are three Forum members who want to volunteer as the Proposer and the two Endorsers for Ballots Forum-5
and SC-5 (Vice Chair of Forum and SCWG), I will include their names in the ballots.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">So far, no one has offered to be a Proposer or Endorser of either ballot. If we do not receive enough Proposers and Endorsers for the two ballots, we will proceed with the ballots without them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tim Hollebeek [mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 7, 2018 7:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Wayne Thayer <wthayer@mozilla.com>; CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <public@cabforum.org>; Kirk Hall <Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL]RE: [cabfpub] Ballot SC5: Election of Server Certificate Working Group Vice Chair<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is correct. The ballot requirements for endorsers and discussion periods applies to _<i>all</i>_ ballots. The bylaws are pretty clear on that; it’s even in the title of section 2.3.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The fact that 4.1(c) of the bylaws requires a ballot does not override the usual ballot rules.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I really hate to nitpick about things like this, but I felt I had to point it out.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Also if we could get a second endorser to fix the voting rules after Ballot 216 got accidentally overwritten, that’d be great. I can write up the ballot over the weekend.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-Tim<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Public <<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org">public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Wayne Thayer via Public<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 6, 2018 6:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kirk Hall <<a href="mailto:Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com">Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com</a>>; CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org">public@cabforum.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] Ballot SC5: Election of Server Certificate Working Group Vice Chair<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Bylaws section 2.3 ("General Provisions Applicable to all Ballots") says "Any proposed ballot needs two endorsements by other Members in order to proceed." The language in section 4 describing "confirmation ballots" and "election ballots"
appears to fall under this requirement.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 3:33 PM Kirk Hall via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org">public@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">DigiCert has not specified the concerns it has with the form of ballot.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b> Ryan Sleevi [mailto:<a href="mailto:sleevi@google.com" target="_blank">sleevi@google.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 6, 2018 3:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kirk Hall <<a href="mailto:Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com" target="_blank">Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com</a>>; CABFPub <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL]Re: [cabfpub] Ballot SC5: Election of Server Certificate Working Group Vice Chair<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Doesn't this ballot have the same issues with compliance to our Bylaws that DigiCert noted? That is, consistency with Section 2.3 of the Bylaws?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 5:17 PM Kirk Hall via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>Ballot SC5: Election of Server Certificate Working Group Vice Chair – Term Nov. 1, 2018 – Oct. 31, 2020</b>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>-Motion begins-</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">In accordance with Bylaw 4.1(c),
<b>Wayne Thayer </b>is hereby elected Vice Chair of the Server Certificate Working Group for a term commencing on November 1, 2018 and continuing through October 31, 2020.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>-Motion ends-</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The procedure for approval of this ballot is as follows:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Votes should be either “Yes” or “No”, and should be sent to the
<b><u>Public</u></b> list. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Voting period: (7 days)<o:p></o:p></p>
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Start Time: <b>Thursday, September 6 at 11:00 am Eastern Time</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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End Time: <b>Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 11:00 am Eastern Time</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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