<div dir="ltr">I understand you disagree. Perhaps you can help us understand what you believe supports your position, as Tim has done by pointing out the Bylaws being clear on this, so that we can have a reasoned understanding beyond "Kirk disagrees".</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 11:31 AM Kirk Hall via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org">public@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Again, I disagree that a Proposer and Endorsers are required for the reasons I stated before – but if there are three Forum members who want to volunteer as the Proposer and the two Endorsers for Ballots Forum-5
and SC-5 (Vice Chair of Forum and SCWG), I will include their names in the ballots.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">So far, no one has offered to be a Proposer or Endorser of either ballot. If we do not receive enough Proposers and Endorsers for the two ballots, we will proceed with the ballots without them.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tim Hollebeek [mailto:<a href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com" target="_blank">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 7, 2018 7:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Wayne Thayer <<a href="mailto:wthayer@mozilla.com" target="_blank">wthayer@mozilla.com</a>>; CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>>; Kirk Hall <<a href="mailto:Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com" target="_blank">Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL]RE: [cabfpub] Ballot SC5: Election of Server Certificate Working Group Vice Chair<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is correct. The ballot requirements for endorsers and discussion periods applies to _<i>all</i>_ ballots. The bylaws are pretty clear on that; it’s even in the title of section 2.3.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The fact that 4.1(c) of the bylaws requires a ballot does not override the usual ballot rules.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I really hate to nitpick about things like this, but I felt I had to point it out.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Also if we could get a second endorser to fix the voting rules after Ballot 216 got accidentally overwritten, that’d be great. I can write up the ballot over the weekend.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-Tim<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Public <<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Wayne Thayer via Public<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 6, 2018 6:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kirk Hall <<a href="mailto:Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com" target="_blank">Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com</a>>; CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] Ballot SC5: Election of Server Certificate Working Group Vice Chair<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Bylaws section 2.3 ("General Provisions Applicable to all Ballots") says "Any proposed ballot needs two endorsements by other Members in order to proceed." The language in section 4 describing "confirmation ballots" and "election ballots"
appears to fall under this requirement.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 3:33 PM Kirk Hall via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">DigiCert has not specified the concerns it has with the form of ballot.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Ryan Sleevi [mailto:<a href="mailto:sleevi@google.com" target="_blank">sleevi@google.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 6, 2018 3:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kirk Hall <<a href="mailto:Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com" target="_blank">Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com</a>>; CABFPub <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL]Re: [cabfpub] Ballot SC5: Election of Server Certificate Working Group Vice Chair<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Doesn't this ballot have the same issues with compliance to our Bylaws that DigiCert noted? That is, consistency with Section 2.3 of the Bylaws?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 5:17 PM Kirk Hall via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Ballot SC5: Election of Server Certificate Working Group Vice Chair – Term Nov. 1, 2018 – Oct. 31, 2020</b>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In accordance with Bylaw 4.1(c),
<b>Wayne Thayer </b>is hereby elected Vice Chair of the Server Certificate Working Group for a term commencing on November 1, 2018 and continuing through October 31, 2020.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>-Motion ends-</b><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The procedure for approval of this ballot is as follows:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Votes should be either “Yes” or “No”, and should be sent to the
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<p class="MsoNormal">Voting period: (7 days)<u></u><u></u></p>
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Start Time: <b>Thursday, September 6 at 11:00 am Eastern Time</b><u></u><u></u></p>
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End Time: <b>Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 11:00 am Eastern Time</b><u></u><u></u></p>
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