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<p class="MsoNormal">Tim, you have explained your position very well, and it’s clearly one reasonable interpretation of Ballot 206 and the new Bylaws as to how we establish the initial membership of the new Server Certificate Working Group.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As the initial Chair of the SCWG under Ballot 206, I plan to take a slightly different approach, but I don’t think it interferes with what you want to do. Various people have noted in the past couple of weeks that Ballot 206 didn’t really
provide a clear process for establishing who were initial SCWG members – maybe we should add language to new WG Charters in the future to solve that issue.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">We do have a process in our Bylaws for how we admit new Members to the Forum itself at Bylaw 2.1(c), which provides:
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-autospace:none">“An Applicant shall become a Member
<u>once the Forum has determined by consensus among the Members during a Forum Meeting or Forum Teleconference</u> that the Applicant
<u>meets</u> all of the requirements of subsection (a) or, upon the request of any Member, by a Ballot among the Members. Acceptance by consensus shall be determined or a Ballot of the Members shall be held as soon as the Applicant indicates that it has presented
all information required under subsection (b) and has responded to all follow-up questions from the Forum and the Member has complied with the requirements of Section 5.5.”
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">So I plan to mimic that procedure on our July 12 organizational teleconference for the SCWG by listing the Forum members who have signed the IPRA and indicated an intent to participate on the SCWG, saying these
companies appear to qualify for SCWG membership under the SCWG Charter, and asking if the anyone believes that any of the Forum members on the list do not qualify for serving as members on the SCWG. I expect there will be no objections, and therefore we will
have established by consensus on a teleconference that all the Forum members who signed the IPRA and indicated interest in participation are initial members of the SCWG. (That’s kind of like the purpose of your email below, but more efficient as it covers
all members at once.) This will take maybe 30 seconds, then we will get to work.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Public [mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org] <b>
On Behalf Of </b>Tim Hollebeek via Public<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 3, 2018 10:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> CABFPub <public@cabforum.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL][cabfpub] Is DigiCert a member of the Server Certificate Working Group?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The Server Certificate Working Group has existed for a long time. Ballot 206 approved its charter (item 3), effective immediately. The 90 day waiting period only affects the Bylaws and IPR policy.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As stated on the governance reform working group, the intent was to mirror the functioning of the existing forum whenever possible. As such, it cannot be the case that the charter refers to Ben Wilson and Kirk Hall in their personal capacity.
This argument was never made during the development of the ballot, and was not the intent. Indeed, neither has signed the IPR policy in their personal capacity, and are ineligible to serve as chair or vice chair of the forum in their personal capacity (“The
offices of Chair and Vice Chair may only be filled by Forum Member representatives”). If it was intended that officers of the SCWG were to serve in their personal capacity, unlike the main forum, the charter would have certainly pointed out that important
difference.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I think it’s quite clear that both persons are serving in their professional capacity as representatives of their member companies. I stated on several occasions that my reading was that DigiCert and Entrust would be the first two new
members of the SCWG, and no one disagreed with me. I even brought up the exotic side case of “what happens if DigiCert or Entrust doesn’t sign the IPR policy?” and was rightly accused of being paranoid and was assured that wouldn’t happen. Both companies
have expressed interest in joining the SCWG, and both have signed the new IPR policy, so I think it’s clear at least that those two companies are members.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Even if that argument doesn’t hold, they are also members for the same reason I believe the SCWG currently has a bunch of other members as well, since all they have to do is sign the new IPR policy and declare their intent to participate.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The Vice Chair suggested three methods of declaring intent to participate:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">(1)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>email the public list, and formally declare their participation in the Server Certificate Working Group<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In case previous declarations have not sufficed, I hereby formally declare that DigiCert is participating in the Server Certificate Working Group. I am willing to repeat this declaration at any time and using any reasonable method.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">(2)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>subscribe to the mailing list -<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Yup, I’m on it.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">(3)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>list self on wiki page<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We’re on it. By my count, the number of members already exceeds the quorum of ten.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So the Server Certificate Working Group exists and has members. YAY! Anyone else disagree, and more importantly, can you justify your beliefs using the bylaws?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">-Tim<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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