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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27/4/2018 5:08 μμ, Arno Fiedler via
Public wrote:<br>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US">Hello Dimitris,<br>
please change the proposed text<br>
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"ETSI EN 319 401 v2.1.1 or newer" AND "ETSI EN 319 411-1
v1.1.1<br>
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to<br>
------------------------------------<br>
"ETSI EN 319 411-1 v1.1.1 or later, or ETSI EN 319 411-2
v.2.1.1 or later."<br>
------------------------------------------<br>
EN 319 401 "General Policy Requirements for Trust Service
Providers" covers the basic (eIDAS-) Requirements<br>
<br>
I still propose a longer discussing phase >21 days.<br>
Best regards<br>
Arno</span></font><i><span
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lang="EN-US"><br>
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Your proposed change is not correct. There were previous discussions
in the Forum which resulted that the 411-2 is not applicable to the
CA/B Forum baseline requirements.<br>
<br>
I thought the "background" information of the ballot would explain
the goal of aligning between WebTrust and ETSI which is precisely
why we added the 401 to align with "WebTrust for CAs" and the 411-1
to align with the "WebTrust for CAs SSL Baseline with Network
Security".<br>
<br>
Happy to extend the discussion phase if anyone brings any
substantial objections or concerns with the current proposal.<br>
<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Dimitris.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 27.04.2018 um 13:58 schrieb
Dimitris Zacharopoulos via Public:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27/4/2018 2:21 μμ, Arno Fiedler
via Public wrote:<br>
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<p>Hello Dimitris,</p>
<p>so starting at Mai 1th is fine, if we get 21 days for
discussion.</p>
<p>Best regards</p>
<p>arno<br>
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Hi Arno,<br>
<br>
The discussion has already begun on April 23rd. As already
discussed, if no new information is presented, the final ballot
(with no changes) will be sent, probably on April 30, stating
that the voting will begin on May 1st with no more possible
updates to the ballot.<br>
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Best Regards,<br>
Dimitris.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 27.04.2018 um 07:39 schrieb
Dimitris Zacharopoulos via Public:<br>
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So far the discussion has been quiet which either means
people generally agree with the ballot or that nobody had
time to review it :-)<br>
<br>
I plan on starting the voting period on May 1st unless we
hear some strong objections.<br>
<br>
<br>
Best Regards,<br>
Dimitris.<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 23/4/2018 8:18 πμ, Dimitris
Zacharopoulos via Public wrote:<br>
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<p class="line874"><br>
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<p class="line874">The following motion has been proposed
by Dimitris Zacharopoulos of HARICA and endorsed by
Moudrick M. Dadashov of SSC and Tim Hollebeek from
Digicert. <span class="anchor" id="line-6"></span><span
class="anchor" id="line-7"></span></p>
<p class="line867"><strong>Background</strong>: <span
class="anchor" id="line-8"></span><span class="anchor"
id="line-9"></span></p>
<p class="line874">Section 8.4 of the Baseline
Requirements describes the audit criteria for CAs that
issue Publicly-Trusted SSL/TLS Certificates. This ballot
attempts to achieve two things: <span class="anchor"
id="line-10"></span><span class="anchor" id="line-11"></span></p>
<ol type="1">
<li>Remove the old ETSI TS documents <span
class="anchor" id="line-12"></span></li>
<li>
<p class="line862">Align the <span
class="nonexistent">WebTrust</span> and ETSI
requirements <span class="anchor" id="line-13"></span><span
class="anchor" id="line-14"></span></p>
</li>
</ol>
<p class="line862">"<span class="nonexistent">WebTrust</span>
for Certification Authorities" is equivalent to "ETSI EN
319 401" and "<span class="nonexistent">WebTrust</span>
Principles and Criteria for Certification Authorities –
SSL Baseline with Network Security" is equivalent to
"ETSI EN 319 411-1". <span class="anchor" id="line-15"></span><span
class="anchor" id="line-16"></span></p>
<p class="line867"><strong>-- MOTION BEGINS --</strong> <span
class="anchor" id="line-17"></span><span
class="anchor" id="line-18"></span></p>
<p class="line874">Replace the first two numbered items in
section 8.4 from: <span class="anchor" id="line-19"></span><span
class="anchor" id="line-20"></span></p>
<ol type="1">
<li>
<p class="line891"><span class="nonexistent">WebTrust</span>
for Certification Authorities v2.0; <span
class="anchor" id="line-21"></span></p>
</li>
<li>A national scheme that audits conformance to ETSI TS
102 042 / ETSI EN 319 411-1; or <span class="anchor"
id="line-22"></span><span class="anchor"
id="line-23"></span></li>
</ol>
<p class="line874">to: <span class="anchor" id="line-24"></span><span
class="anchor" id="line-25"></span></p>
<ol type="1">
<li>
<p class="line862">"<span class="nonexistent">WebTrust</span>
for CAs v2.0 or newer" AND "<span
class="nonexistent">WebTrust</span> for CAs SSL
Baseline with Network Security v2.2 or newer"; or <span
class="anchor" id="line-26"></span></p>
</li>
<li>"ETSI EN 319 401 v2.1.1 or newer" AND "ETSI EN 319
411-1 v1.1.1"; or</li>
</ol>
<p class="line867"><strong>-- MOTION ENDS --</strong> <span
class="anchor" id="line-29"></span><span
class="anchor" id="line-30"></span></p>
<p class="line874">The procedure for this ballot is as
follows (exact start and end times may be adjusted to
comply with applicable Bylaws and IPR Agreement): <span
class="anchor" id="line-31"></span></p>
<div>
<table>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td style="" #E0E0FF&
quot" ; background-color:
"&quot"">
<p class="line891"><strong>BALLOT 223 Status:
Update BR Section 8.4 for CA audit criteria</strong>
</p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" style="" #E0E0FF&
quot; ; text-align:center" ;
background-color:
"&quot"">
<p class="line891"><strong>Start time (22:00
UTC)</strong> </p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" style="" #E0E0FF&
quot; ; text-align:center" ;
background-color:
"&quot"">
<p class="line891"><strong>End time (22:00 UTC)</strong>
</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><span class="anchor" id="line-32"></span>
<p class="line862">Discussion (7+ days) </p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" style=""
text-align:center"">
<p class="line862">23 April 2018 </p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" style=""
text-align:center"">
<p class="line862">30 April 2018 </p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><span class="anchor" id="line-33"></span>
<p class="line862">Vote for approval (7 days) </p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" style=""
text-align:center"">
<p class="line862">TBD </p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" style=""
text-align:center"">
<p class="line862">TBD according to voting start
time </p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="" & quot;
text-align:left; & quot; ""><span
class="anchor" id="line-34"></span>
<p class="line862">If vote approves ballot:
Review Period (Chair to send Review Notice)
(30 days)<br>
If Exclusion Notice(s) filed, ballot approval
is rescinded and PAG to be created.<br>
If no Exclusion Notices filed, ballot becomes
effective at end of Review Period.<br>
Votes must be cast by posting an on-list reply
to this thread on the Public Mail List. </p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" style=""
text-align:center"">
<p class="line862">Upon filing of Review Notice
by Chair </p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" style=""
text-align:center"">
<p class="line862">30 days after filing of
Review Notice by Chair </p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
</div>
<span class="anchor" id="line-35"></span><span
class="anchor" id="line-36"></span><span class="anchor"
id="line-37"></span><span class="anchor" id="line-38"></span><span
class="anchor" id="line-39"></span>
<p class="line874">From the Bylaws section 2.4(a): "If the
Draft Guideline Ballot is proposing a Final Maintenance
Guideline, such ballot will include a redline or
comparison showing the set of changes from the Final
Guideline section(s) intended to become a Final
Maintenance Guideline, and need not include a copy of
the full set of guidelines. Such redline or comparison
shall be made against the Final Guideline section(s) as
they exist at the time a ballot is proposed, and need
not take into consideration other ballots that may be
proposed subsequently, except as provided in Section
2.4(j) below". <span class="anchor" id="line-40"></span><span
class="anchor" id="line-41"></span></p>
<p class="line862">Votes must be cast by posting an
on-list reply to this thread on the Public list. A vote
in favor of the motion must indicate a clear 'yes' in
the response. A vote against must indicate a clear 'no'
in the response. A vote to abstain must indicate a clear
'abstain' in the response. Unclear responses will not be
counted. The latest vote received from any
representative of a voting member before the close of
the voting period will be counted. Voting members are
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<span class="anchor" id="line-42"></span><span
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In order for the motion to be adopted, two thirds or more
of the votes cast by members in the CA category and
greater than 50% of the votes cast by members in the
browser category must be in favor. Quorum is shown on
CA/Browser Forum wiki. Under the Bylaws section 2.3(g), at
least the required quorum number must participate in the
ballot for the ballot to be valid, either by voting in
favor, voting against, or abstaining. <br>
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