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    <p>Dear CA/B-Forum Members,</p>
    <p>sorry for jumping in late, Dimitris and Moudrick, many thanks for
      the proposed ballot. <br>
      After checking different Browser Requirements I strongly suggest
      to postpone the discussion phase ballot 223 on "Updating BR
      Section 8.4".</p>
    <p>We should have further improvements on the definitions, <br>
      esp. of  "national scheme" ( e. g. within EA or IAF Framework) 
      and <br>
      define more precise requirements on standards for conducting the
      audits, (e. g. ISO/IEC 17065 supplemented by ETSI EN 319 403) <br>
      so I suggest to postpone the start of the discussion phase on May,
      the 7th.</p>
    <p>Would realy like to cover the audit requirements from all
      browsers by the Ballot, so more time is needed.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Thanks in advance and best regards</p>
    <p>Arno Fiedler<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 23.04.2018 um 07:18 schrieb Dimitris
      Zacharopoulos via Public:<br>
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      <p class="line874">The following motion has been proposed by
        Dimitris Zacharopoulos of HARICA and endorsed by Moudrick M.
        Dadashov of SSC and Tim Hollebeek from Digicert. <span
          class="anchor" id="line-6"></span><span class="anchor"
          id="line-7"></span></p>
      <p class="line867"><strong>Background</strong>: <span
          class="anchor" id="line-8"></span><span class="anchor"
          id="line-9"></span></p>
      <p class="line874">Section 8.4 of the Baseline Requirements
        describes the audit criteria for CAs that issue Publicly-Trusted
        SSL/TLS Certificates. This ballot attempts to achieve two
        things: <span class="anchor" id="line-10"></span><span
          class="anchor" id="line-11"></span></p>
      <ol type="1">
        <li>Remove the old ETSI TS documents <span class="anchor"
            id="line-12"></span></li>
        <li>
          <p class="line862">Align the <span class="nonexistent">WebTrust</span>
            and ETSI requirements <span class="anchor" id="line-13"></span><span
              class="anchor" id="line-14"></span></p>
        </li>
      </ol>
      <p class="line862">"<span class="nonexistent">WebTrust</span> for
        Certification Authorities" is equivalent to "ETSI EN 319 401"
        and "<span class="nonexistent">WebTrust</span> Principles and
        Criteria for Certification Authorities – SSL Baseline with
        Network Security" is equivalent to "ETSI EN 319 411-1". <span
          class="anchor" id="line-15"></span><span class="anchor"
          id="line-16"></span></p>
      <p class="line867"><strong>-- MOTION BEGINS --</strong> <span
          class="anchor" id="line-17"></span><span class="anchor"
          id="line-18"></span></p>
      <p class="line874">Replace the first two numbered items in section
        8.4 from: <span class="anchor" id="line-19"></span><span
          class="anchor" id="line-20"></span></p>
      <ol type="1">
        <li>
          <p class="line891"><span class="nonexistent">WebTrust</span>
            for Certification Authorities v2.0; <span class="anchor"
              id="line-21"></span></p>
        </li>
        <li>A national scheme that audits conformance to ETSI TS 102 042
          / ETSI EN 319 411-1; or <span class="anchor" id="line-22"></span><span
            class="anchor" id="line-23"></span></li>
      </ol>
      <p class="line874">to: <span class="anchor" id="line-24"></span><span
          class="anchor" id="line-25"></span></p>
      <ol type="1">
        <li>
          <p class="line862">"<span class="nonexistent">WebTrust</span>
            for CAs v2.0 or newer" AND "<span class="nonexistent">WebTrust</span>
            for CAs SSL Baseline with Network Security v2.2 or newer";
            or  <span class="anchor" id="line-26"></span></p>
        </li>
        <li>"ETSI EN 319 401 v2.1.1 or newer" AND "ETSI EN 319 411-1
          v1.1.1"; or</li>
      </ol>
      <p class="line867"><strong>-- MOTION ENDS --</strong> <span
          class="anchor" id="line-29"></span><span class="anchor"
          id="line-30"></span></p>
      <p class="line874">The procedure for this ballot is as follows
        (exact start and end times may be adjusted to comply with
        applicable Bylaws and IPR Agreement): <span class="anchor"
          id="line-31"></span></p>
      <div>
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          <tbody>
            <tr>
              <td style="&quot; #E0E0FF&amp; quot&quot; ;
                background-color: &quot;&amp;quot&quot">
                <p class="line891"><strong>BALLOT 223 Status: Update BR
                    Section 8.4 for CA audit criteria</strong> </p>
              </td>
              <td colspan="2" style="&quot; #E0E0FF&amp; quot; ;
                text-align:center&quot; ; background-color:
                &quot;&amp;quot&quot">
                <p class="line891"><strong>Start time (22:00 UTC)</strong>
                </p>
              </td>
              <td colspan="2" style="&quot; #E0E0FF&amp; quot; ;
                text-align:center&quot; ; background-color:
                &quot;&amp;quot&quot">
                <p class="line891"><strong>End time (22:00 UTC)</strong>
                </p>
              </td>
            </tr>
            <tr>
              <td><span class="anchor" id="line-32"></span>
                <p class="line862">Discussion (7+ days) </p>
              </td>
              <td colspan="2" style="&quot;
                text-align:center&quot;">
                <p class="line862">23 April 2018 </p>
              </td>
              <td colspan="2" style="&quot;
                text-align:center&quot;">
                <p class="line862">30 April 2018 </p>
              </td>
            </tr>
            <tr>
              <td><span class="anchor" id="line-33"></span>
                <p class="line862">Vote for approval (7 days) </p>
              </td>
              <td colspan="2" style="&quot;
                text-align:center&quot;">
                <p class="line862">TBD  </p>
              </td>
              <td colspan="2" style="&quot;
                text-align:center&quot;">
                <p class="line862">TBD according to voting start time </p>
              </td>
            </tr>
            <tr>
              <td style="&quot; &amp; quot; text-align:left;
                &amp; quot; &quot;"><span class="anchor"
                  id="line-34"></span>
                <p class="line862">If vote approves ballot: Review
                  Period (Chair to send Review Notice) (30 days)<br>
                  If Exclusion Notice(s) filed, ballot approval is
                  rescinded and PAG to be created.<br>
                  If no Exclusion Notices filed, ballot becomes
                  effective at end of Review Period.<br>
                  Votes must be cast by posting an on-list reply to this
                  thread on the Public Mail List. </p>
              </td>
              <td colspan="2" style="&quot;
                text-align:center&quot;">
                <p class="line862">Upon filing of Review Notice by Chair
                </p>
              </td>
              <td colspan="2" style="&quot;
                text-align:center&quot;">
                <p class="line862">30 days after filing of Review Notice
                  by Chair </p>
              </td>
            </tr>
          </tbody>
        </table>
      </div>
      <span class="anchor" id="line-35"></span><span class="anchor"
        id="line-36"></span><span class="anchor" id="line-37"></span><span
        class="anchor" id="line-38"></span><span class="anchor"
        id="line-39"></span>
      <p class="line874">From the Bylaws section 2.4(a): "If the Draft
        Guideline Ballot is proposing a Final Maintenance Guideline,
        such ballot will include a redline or comparison showing the set
        of changes from the Final Guideline section(s) intended to
        become a Final Maintenance Guideline, and need not include a
        copy of the full set of guidelines. Such redline or comparison
        shall be made against the Final Guideline section(s) as they
        exist at the time a ballot is proposed, and need not take into
        consideration other ballots that may be proposed subsequently,
        except as provided in Section 2.4(j) below". <span
          class="anchor" id="line-40"></span><span class="anchor"
          id="line-41"></span></p>
      <p class="line862">Votes must be cast by posting an on-list reply
        to this thread on the Public list. A vote in favor of the motion
        must indicate a clear 'yes' in the response. A vote against must
        indicate a clear 'no' in the response. A vote to abstain must
        indicate a clear 'abstain' in the response. Unclear responses
        will not be counted. The latest vote received from any
        representative of a voting member before the close of the voting
        period will be counted. Voting members are listed here: <a
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      In order for the motion to be adopted, two thirds or more of the
      votes cast by members in the CA category and greater than 50% of
      the votes cast by members in the browser category must be in
      favor. Quorum is shown on CA/Browser Forum wiki. Under the Bylaws
      section 2.3(g), at least the required quorum number must
      participate in the ballot for the ballot to be valid, either by
      voting in favor, voting against, or abstaining. <br>
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