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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/4/2018 5:57 μμ, Peter Bowen
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          <div class="">On Apr 16, 2018, at 7:21 AM, Ryan Sleevi via
            Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" class=""
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                <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 2:18
                  AM, Dimitris Zacharopoulos via Public <span dir="ltr"
                    class=""><<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org"
                      target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">public@cabforum.org</a>></span>
                  wrote:<br class="">
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                      I am looking for two endorsers for the following
                      ballot.<br class="">
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                      Dimitris.<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      <p class="m_-1167569698070291640line867"><strong
                          class="">Ballot XXX - Update Section 8.4 for
                          CA audit criteria</strong> <span
                          class="m_-1167569698070291640anchor"
                          id="m_-1167569698070291640line-3"></span><span
                          class="m_-1167569698070291640anchor"
                          id="m_-1167569698070291640line-4"></span></p>
                      <p class="m_-1167569698070291640line874">The
                        following motion has been proposed by Dimitris
                        Zacharopoulos of HARICA and endorsed by ___ and
                        ___<span class="m_-1167569698070291640anchor"
                          id="m_-1167569698070291640line-5"></span></p>
                      <p class="m_-1167569698070291640line867"><strong
                          class="">Background</strong>: <span
                          class="m_-1167569698070291640anchor"
                          id="m_-1167569698070291640line-7"></span><span
                          class="m_-1167569698070291640anchor"
                          id="m_-1167569698070291640line-8"></span></p>
                      <p class="m_-1167569698070291640line874">Section
                        8.4 of the Baseline Requirements describes the
                        audit criteria for CAs that issue
                        Publicly-Trusted SSL/TLS Certificates. This
                        ballot attempts to achieve two things: <span
                          class="m_-1167569698070291640anchor"
                          id="m_-1167569698070291640line-9"></span><span
                          class="m_-1167569698070291640anchor"
                          id="m_-1167569698070291640line-10"></span></p>
                      <ol class="" type="1">
                        <li class="">Remove the old ETSI TS documents <span
                            class="m_-1167569698070291640anchor"
                            id="m_-1167569698070291640line-11"></span></li>
                        <li class="">
                          <p class="m_-1167569698070291640line862">Align
                            the <a
                              class="m_-1167569698070291640nonexistent"
href="https://www.cabforum.org/wiki/WebTrust" target="_blank"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">WebTrust</a> and
                            ETSI requirements <span
                              class="m_-1167569698070291640anchor"
                              id="m_-1167569698070291640line-12"></span><span
                              class="m_-1167569698070291640anchor"
                              id="m_-1167569698070291640line-13"></span><span
                              class="m_-1167569698070291640anchor"
                              id="m_-1167569698070291640line-14"></span></p>
                        </li>
                      </ol>
                      <p class="m_-1167569698070291640line862">"<a
                          class="m_-1167569698070291640nonexistent"
                          href="https://www.cabforum.org/wiki/WebTrust"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">WebTrust</a>
                        for Certification Authorities" is equivalent to
                        "ETSI EN 319 401" and "<a
                          class="m_-1167569698070291640nonexistent"
                          href="https://www.cabforum.org/wiki/WebTrust"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">WebTrust</a>
                        Principles and Criteria for Certification
                        Authorities – SSL Baseline with Network
                        Security" is the equivalent of "ETSI EN 319
                        411-1". <span
                          class="m_-1167569698070291640anchor"
                          id="m_-1167569698070291640line-15"></span><span
                          class="m_-1167569698070291640anchor"
                          id="m_-1167569698070291640line-16"></span></p>
                      <p class="m_-1167569698070291640line867"><strong
                          class="">-- MOTION BEGINS --</strong> <span
                          class="m_-1167569698070291640anchor"
                          id="m_-1167569698070291640line-17"></span><span
                          class="m_-1167569698070291640anchor"
                          id="m_-1167569698070291640line-18"></span></p>
                      <p class="m_-1167569698070291640line874">Replace
                        the first two numbered items in section 8.4 of
                        the Baseline Requirements <span
                          class="m_-1167569698070291640anchor"
                          id="m_-1167569698070291640line-19"></span>from:
                        <span class="m_-1167569698070291640anchor"
                          id="m_-1167569698070291640line-20"></span><span
                          class="m_-1167569698070291640anchor"
                          id="m_-1167569698070291640line-21"></span></p>
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                        <li class="">
                          <p class="m_-1167569698070291640line891"><a
                              class="m_-1167569698070291640nonexistent"
href="https://www.cabforum.org/wiki/WebTrust" target="_blank"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">WebTrust</a> for
                            Certification Authorities v2.0; <span
                              class="m_-1167569698070291640anchor"
                              id="m_-1167569698070291640line-22"></span></p>
                        </li>
                        <li class="">A national scheme that audits
                          conformance to ETSI TS 102 042 / ETSI EN 319
                          411-1; or <span
                            class="m_-1167569698070291640anchor"
                            id="m_-1167569698070291640line-23"></span><span
                            class="m_-1167569698070291640anchor"
                            id="m_-1167569698070291640line-24"></span></li>
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                      <p class="m_-1167569698070291640line874">to: <span
                          class="m_-1167569698070291640anchor"
                          id="m_-1167569698070291640line-25"></span><span
                          class="m_-1167569698070291640anchor"
                          id="m_-1167569698070291640line-26"></span></p>
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                        <li class="">
                          <p class="m_-1167569698070291640line891"><a
                              class="m_-1167569698070291640nonexistent"
href="https://www.cabforum.org/wiki/WebTrust" target="_blank"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">WebTrust</a>
                            Principles and Criteria for Certification
                            Authorities – SSL Baseline with Network
                            Security; <span
                              class="m_-1167569698070291640anchor"
                              id="m_-1167569698070291640line-27"></span></p>
                        </li>
                        <li class="">A national scheme that audits
                          conformance to ETSI EN 319 411-1; or</li>
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                  <div class="">As noted several times that this has
                    come up in the past, your proposed change to #1 is
                    meaningfully and substantially different than what
                    is currently required. You are proposing *changing*
                    the audit scheme to a more restrictive set. That's
                    something in the past that browsers have objected
                    to, and for good reason.</div>
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      <div>I agree with Ryan.  Based on your description, Dimitris, of
        the alignment between WebTrust and ETSI, it seems that the
        appropriate change is to require WebTrust for CA v2.1 or a
        national scheme that audits conformance to ETSI EN 319 401
        V2.1.1.</div>
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    Perhaps I missed that discussion but the intention here is to
    include the superset of audit requirements for CAs that issue
    Publicly-Trusted SSL/TLS Certificates . For example, ETSI EN 319
    411-1 includes ETSI EN 319 401 as a prerequisite which is similar to
    WebTrust for CAs v2. Are you saying that WebTrust for CAs SSL
    Baseline with Network Security does not have WebTrust for CAs v2 as
    a prerequisite?<br>
    <br>
    If that's the case, and if the Baseline Requirements apply to
    SSL/TLS Certificates, then the logical requirement to make it
    clearer would be:<br>
    <ul>
      <li>WebTrust for CAs + WebTrust for CAs SSL Baseline with Network
        Security or;<br>
      </li>
      <li>ETSI EN 319 401 + ETSI EN 319 411-1</li>
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    <p>Otherwise, if we only keep the WebTrust for CAs requirement as it
      exists today, it would make more sense to require for ETSI EN 319
      401 (as Peter suggested) instead of 411-1 which includes parts of
      the baseline requirements and network security.<br>
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    Is there any compelling reason why we shouldn't require both?<br>
    <br>
    Peter, we could include version numbers and some language to state
    "or newer", otherwise we might end up with out-of-date versions.
    Also, I noticed that WebTrust provides guidance on which versions
    should be used for which audit periods so there might be CAs audited
    against v.2.0 and others against v2.1. <br>
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    Dimitris.<br>
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      <div>Thanks,</div>
      <div>Peter</div>
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