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</font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><b><span lang="EN-US" style='font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";'>From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style='font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";'> Public
[mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mads Egil Henriksveen
via Public<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 02, 2018 8:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tim Hollebeek; CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [</span><span style='font-family: "新細明體","serif"; font-size: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 新細明體;'>外部郵件</span><span lang="EN-US" style='font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";'>]
Re: [cabfpub] Voting begins: Ballot 218 version 2</span></p><font face="新細明體">
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</font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Calibri">Buypass votes NO.</font></span></p><font face="新細明體">
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</font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Calibri">There are use cases and scenarios where an
improved version of method #1 for proving ownership of a domain would be
appropriate. Method #1 is only to be used for OV/EV and as such the
authorization to issue the certificate must be given by an authoritative
representative of the applicant. If we can prove that the applicant is equal to
the domain owner in a proper way, we consider this to be sufficient to issue
the certificate. The validation and issuance of OV/EV must be based on both
verifying the Applicant’s identity and domain ownership (with or without the
technical demonstration of domain control). </font></span></p><font face="新細明體">
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</font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Calibri">BR 3.2.2.4 says ‘defines the permitted
processes and procedures for validating the Applicant’s ownership or control of
the domain’. The concept of validating an Applicant’s ownership is most
important for OV/EV as this is a scenario where the Applicant always must be
verified. Then it is possible to verify domain ownership based on a properly
verified identity and address of the Applicant. All other methods focus on
domain control and we can’t see that the concept of domain ownership is well
covered by any of these methods. </font></span></p><font face="新細明體">
</font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Calibri"> </font></span></p><font face="新細明體">
</font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Calibri">We understand that domain control is
considered to be very important, but we would like to emphasize that we
consider the concept of <span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">‘</span>domain control<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">’</span> and <span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">‘</span>domain
ownership<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">’</span> to be two different concepts - at
least seen in relation to the issuance of OV/EV. If we really mean to include
both concepts in the domain validation methods, this should be made more
explicit. </font></span></p><font face="新細明體">
</font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Calibri"> </font></span></p><font face="新細明體">
</font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Calibri">We are concerned that a switch of focus
towards domain control also for OV/EV might result in less focus on domain
ownership and thus giving any actor who controls the domain a possibility to
get an OV/EV for that domain. I would hate to see e.g. the DNS provider of
Buypass AS being able to get an EV certificate with the identity of the DNS
provider and the domain buypass.no based on domain control only. </font></span></p><font face="新細明體">
</font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Calibri"> </font></span></p><font face="新細明體">
</font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Calibri">It is difficult to evaluate the quality of
method #1 on itself without at the same time evaluate the parts of BR (and EVG)
relevant for using the method - for OV (BR 3.2.2.1 and 3.2.5) and similar in
EVG for EV.</font></span></p><font face="新細明體">
</font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Calibri"> </font></span></p><font face="新細明體">
</font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Calibri">We are not convinced that all the other
methods based on domain control in all cases necessarily provides a higher
level of assurance than an improved method #1 for OV/EV certificates. We agree
with Dimitris that it is important to get a better understanding of the
vulnerabilities and threats for each of the domain validation methods and this
should be analyzed independently for DV and OV/EV.</font></span></p><font face="新細明體">
</font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Calibri"> </font></span></p><font face="新細明體">
</font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Calibri">Regards</font></span></p><font face="新細明體">
</font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Calibri">Mads</font></span></p><font face="新細明體">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE-CH" style='font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;'>From:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span lang="DE-CH" style='font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;'>Public <<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org"><span style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);">public-bounces@cabforum.org</span></a>>
on behalf of Tim Hollebeek via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org"><span style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);">public@cabforum.org</span></a>><br>
<b>Reply-To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tim Hollebeek <<a href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"><span style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</span></a>>, CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org"><span style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);">public@cabforum.org</span></a>><br>
<b>Date:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Monday, 29 January, 2018 at 17:07<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<b>To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org"><span style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);">public@cabforum.org</span></a>><br>
<b>Subject:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>[cabfpub] Voting begins: Ballot 218 version 2</span><span lang="DE-CH" style='font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style='font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;'>I’m highly skeptical that discussing this for another month will change anybody’s minds. It has already been discussed for over a month, including at three validation
working group meetings and once on the management call, with extensive discussion on this list as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style='font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;'>There have been a number of clever attempts to distract from the matter at hand. Everybody seems to agree that methods #1 and #5 as currently written are insufficient
to validate certificates, and efforts to improve method #1 have all either been shown to be similarly weak, or have turned the validation method into one of the other existing validation methods. In fact, this demonstrates an obvious transition path for CAs
currently using method #1: use method #2 or method #3.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style='font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;'>Since methods #1 and #5 do not sufficiently validate certificates, they should not be used, and six months should be more than enough time to cease using them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style='font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;'>Here is the final version of the ballot, with voting times. A redlined document is attached (I encourage other proposers to post ballot redlines, even if it isn’t
required).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style='font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;'>----- Ballot 218 version 2: Remove validation methods #1 and #5 -----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style='font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;'>Purpose of Ballot: Section 3.2.2.4 says that it “defines the permitted processes and procedures for validating the Applicant’s ownership or control of the domain.”
Most of the validation methods actually do validate ownership and control, but two do not, and can be completed solely based on an applicant’s own assertions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style='font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;'>Since these two validation methods do not meet the objectives of section 3.2.2.4, and are actively being used to avoid validating domain control or ownership,
they should be removed, and the other methods that do validate domain control or ownership should be used.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style='font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;'>The following motion has been proposed by Tim Hollebeek of DigiCert and endorsed by Ryan Sleevi of Google and Rich Smith of Comodo.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style='font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;'>-- MOTION BEGINS –<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style='font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;'>This ballot modifies the “Baseline Requirements for the Issuance and Management of Publicly-Trusted Certificates” as follows, based upon Version 1.5.4:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style='font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;'>In Section 1.6.1, in the definition of “Domain Contact”, after “in a DNS SOA record”, add “, or as obtained through direct contact with the Domain Name Registrar”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style='font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;'>In Section 3.2.2.4.1, add text at the end: “For certificates issued on or after August 1, 2018, this method SHALL NOT be used for validation, and completed validations
using this method SHALL NOT be used for the issuance of certificates.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style='font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;'>In Section 3.2.2.4.5, add text at the end: “For certificates issued on or after August 1, 2018, this method SHALL NOT be used for validation, and completed validations
using this method SHALL NOT be used for the issuance of certificates.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style='font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;'>After Section 3.2.2.4.10, add following two new subsections:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style='font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;'>“3.2.2.4.11 Any Other Method<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style='font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;'>This method has been retired and MUST NOT be used.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style='font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;'>3.2.2.4.12 Validating Applicant as a Domain Contact<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style='font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;'>Confirming the Applicant's control over the FQDN by validating the Applicant is the Domain Contact. This method may only be used if the CA is also the Domain Name
Registrar, or an Affiliate of the Registrar, of the Base Domain Name.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style='font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;'>Note: Once the FQDN has been validated using this method, the CA MAY also issue Certificates for other FQDNs that end with all the labels of the validated FQDN.
This method is suitable for validating Wildcard Domain Names.“<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style='font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;'>In Section 4.2.1, after the paragraph that begins “After the change to any validation method”, add the following paragraph: “Validations completed using methods
specified in Section 3.2.2.4.1 or Section 3.2.2.4.5 SHALL NOT be re-used on or after August 1, 2018.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style='font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;'>For the purposes of section 4.2.1, the new text added to 4.2.1 from this ballot is “specifically provided in a [this] ballot.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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