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<p class="MsoNormal">Trustwave votes YES to Ballot 218 version 2<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Public <<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org"><span style="color:#954F72">public-bounces@cabforum.org</span></a>>
on behalf of Tim Hollebeek via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org"><span style="color:#954F72">public@cabforum.org</span></a>><br>
<b>Reply-To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tim Hollebeek <<a href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"><span style="color:#954F72">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</span></a>>, CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org"><span style="color:#954F72">public@cabforum.org</span></a>><br>
<b>Date:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Monday, 29 January, 2018 at 17:07<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<b>To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org"><span style="color:#954F72">public@cabforum.org</span></a>><br>
<b>Subject:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>[cabfpub] Voting begins: Ballot 218 version 2</span><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I’m highly skeptical that discussing this for another month will change anybody’s minds. It has already been discussed for over a month, including at three validation
working group meetings and once on the management call, with extensive discussion on this list as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There have been a number of clever attempts to distract from the matter at hand. Everybody seems to agree that methods #1 and #5 as currently written are insufficient
to validate certificates, and efforts to improve method #1 have all either been shown to be similarly weak, or have turned the validation method into one of the other existing validation methods. In fact, this demonstrates an obvious transition path for CAs
currently using method #1: use method #2 or method #3.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Since methods #1 and #5 do not sufficiently validate certificates, they should not be used, and six months should be more than enough time to cease using them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Here is the final version of the ballot, with voting times. A redlined document is attached (I encourage other proposers to post ballot redlines, even if it isn’t
required).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">-Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">----- Ballot 218 version 2: Remove validation methods #1 and #5 -----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Purpose of Ballot: Section 3.2.2.4 says that it “defines the permitted processes and procedures for validating the Applicant’s ownership or control of the domain.”
Most of the validation methods actually do validate ownership and control, but two do not, and can be completed solely based on an applicant’s own assertions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Since these two validation methods do not meet the objectives of section 3.2.2.4, and are actively being used to avoid validating domain control or ownership,
they should be removed, and the other methods that do validate domain control or ownership should be used.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The following motion has been proposed by Tim Hollebeek of DigiCert and endorsed by Ryan Sleevi of Google and Rich Smith of Comodo.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">-- MOTION BEGINS –<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This ballot modifies the “Baseline Requirements for the Issuance and Management of Publicly-Trusted Certificates” as follows, based upon Version 1.5.4:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In Section 1.6.1, in the definition of “Domain Contact”, after “in a DNS SOA record”, add “, or as obtained through direct contact with the Domain Name Registrar”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In Section 3.2.2.4.1, add text at the end: “For certificates issued on or after August 1, 2018, this method SHALL NOT be used for validation, and completed validations
using this method SHALL NOT be used for the issuance of certificates.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In Section 3.2.2.4.5, add text at the end: “For certificates issued on or after August 1, 2018, this method SHALL NOT be used for validation, and completed validations
using this method SHALL NOT be used for the issuance of certificates.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">After Section 3.2.2.4.10, add following two new subsections:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">“3.2.2.4.11 Any Other Method<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">3.2.2.4.12 Validating Applicant as a Domain Contact<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Confirming the Applicant's control over the FQDN by validating the Applicant is the Domain Contact. This method may only be used if the CA is also the Domain Name
Registrar, or an Affiliate of the Registrar, of the Base Domain Name.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Note: Once the FQDN has been validated using this method, the CA MAY also issue Certificates for other FQDNs that end with all the labels of the validated FQDN.
This method is suitable for validating Wildcard Domain Names.“<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In Section 4.2.1, after the paragraph that begins “After the change to any validation method”, add the following paragraph: “Validations completed using methods
specified in Section 3.2.2.4.1 or Section 3.2.2.4.5 SHALL NOT be re-used on or after August 1, 2018.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">-- MOTION ENDS –<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">For the purposes of section 4.2.1, the new text added to 4.2.1 from this ballot is “specifically provided in a [this] ballot.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Discussion (7+ days)<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Start Time: 2017-01-22 21:30:00 UTC <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> End Time: 2017-01-29 21:50:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Vote for approval (7 days)<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Start Time: 2017-01-29 21:50:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> End Time: 2017-02-05 21:50 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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