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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Geoff,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">We put together an example of using method 1. Please see attached.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Public [mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Geoff Keating via Public<br>
<b>Sent:</b> January 19, 2018 6:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kirk Hall <Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <public@cabforum.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] [EXTERNAL] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sorry for the misquotation – I left off “***<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>directly with the Domain Name Registrar,” which is generally what we have been discussing
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<p class="MsoNormal">That wasn’t my objection—it was to the words “by verifying that”.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">But do you see my point that “validating the<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><u>Applicant</u><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>as the<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><u>Domain
Contact</u>” (current language) could simply be confirming a hacker in both roles, but would not be validating the Registrant information as to the organization that owns the domain? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Which would not be sufficient to include the Registrant Organization name in the O field of an OV or EV cert. That’s why we made the change, which makes Method 1 more secure
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<p class="MsoNormal">Are some CAs validating by saying that, for example, someone has control of
<a href="http://cabforum.org">cabforum.org</a> and so based only on that and the whois information they can be issued a certificate with O=Go Daddy? That would be unfortunate.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As a side note, do you think it would be helpful to put something in the BRs to basically say “you still have to validate everything in a certificate; if these BRs appear to allow a process which is not an effective validation, or some
choices in your implementation of the process makes it ineffective, you must do whatever additional process is necessary to ensure an effective validation”? An overall “don’t be stupid” rule.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Again, Method 1 was the original validation method starting in the 1990s, and I think it’s proven its worth over the years.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Processes often work great until someone works out how to abuse them, and then they don’t, sadly.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a href="mailto:geoffk@apple.com">geoffk@apple.com</a>
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<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, January 19, 2018 11:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Kirk Hall <<a href="mailto:Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com">Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org">public@cabforum.org</a>>; Mads Egil Henriksveen <<a href="mailto:Mads.Henriksveen@buypass.no">Mads.Henriksveen@buypass.no</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [cabfpub] [EXTERNAL] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You can see why I think CAs might not know what they’re supposed to do, because the above quote is not the actual words from the the Baseline Requirements! Right now, in BR 1.5.4, Method 1 starts with these words:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Your version prescribes a method. The actual current requirements specify an objective and don’t specify a method.<o:p></o:p></p>
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