<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">We can add the subcommittee language to the Bylaws for clarity - that is not a problem. As the Governance WG was drafting the documents, we didn’t think subcommittees would be needed with the new multi-WG structure - but if they are needed we can restore the language. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">How do you want to be able to introduce one WGs work product to another WG? One of the principle goals of this new model was to keep IPR commitments within the WG that a member is participating in. Are you now saying that you want IPR commitments to apply across all WGs so you can share all work across all WGs? That would essentially be the IP model the Forum has now, where members have IP commitments across the entire Forum. <br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’m surprised these concerns are coming up now, even though we’ve been discussing these documents for over a year. 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<div><br class=""><div class="">On Jan 22, 2018, at 10:16 AM, Tim Hollebeek <<a href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com" class="">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Yes. We definitely don't want multiple WGs covering server certificates.<br class="">The existing WGs in that category need to either go away, or become<br class="">subcommittees of the Server Certificate WG.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">The problem is this isn't entirely true.<br class=""><br class="">The Validation LWG probably should be a subcommittee of the Server<br class="">Certificate WG. Can it be less formal than it is today (e.g. no charter)? <br class="">Perhaps. Probably the same for the Policy LWG.<br class=""><br class="">OTOH, the Network Security LWG is addressing issues that are more<br class="">likely to apply across multiple different WGs, since they are generic<br class="">issues about how to securely run a certificate authority. Whether the<br class="">certificates are for Web PKI or Email or Code Signing doesn't really<br class="">matter. <br class=""><br class="">We have also discussed at previous F2Fs a "Baseline Baseline" WG <br class="">that would handle things like EKUs and general compliance issues with <br class="">RFC 5280. Those would also apply to multiple working groups.<br class=""><br class="">I was originally of the opinion that we could probably work that all<br class="">out after governance reform, but now I'm very concerned about<br class="">Wayne's concern that such generally applicable working groups<br class="">might have trouble introducing their work product into other WGs<br class="">due to IPR issues.<br class=""><br class="">That would be a very unfortunate result of the governance reform<br class="">effort if it turned out to be true.<br class=""><br class="">-Tim<br class=""><br class=""></div></div></div><br class=""></div></div></div></body></html>