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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">That data is correct as GoDaddy Registered the domain name.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If the Applicant is CA/Browser Forum and the Registrant is GoDaddy, then method 1 will fail by design.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Bruce.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Public [mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Geoff Keating via Public<br>
<b>Sent:</b> January 19, 2018 1:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kirk Hall <Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <public@cabforum.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] [EXTERNAL] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The ‘Domain Contact’ is not just a name. For example, for <a href="http://cabforum.org">
cabforum.org</a>, it’s all of this data:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif">Registrant Organization: Go Daddy Operating Company, LLC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif">Registrant Street: 14455 N Hayden Rd Suite 219<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif">Registrant Phone: +1.4805058800<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif">Registrant Fax: +1.4805058844<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:companynames@godaddy.com">Email: companynames@godaddy.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It’s “self-reported”, but not by the Applicant; it’s reported by the actual domain name owner. This data is what has to be matched against the Applicant—you need to confirm that the Applicant will respond when contacted using this information.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m not sure about limiting this to just the Registrant. The registrant is the ‘owner’ of the domain, but wouldn't the technical contact be likely to have control over the domain? (That’s almost the definition of who you put as the technical
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jan 19, 2018, at 10:33 AM, Kirk Hall <<a href="mailto:Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com">Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Jeff - here are the three relevant definitions:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Applicant:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The natural person or Legal Entity that
applies for (or seeks renewal of) a Certificate. Once the Certificate issues, the Applicant is referred to as the Subscriber.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Domain Contact</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">: The Domain Name Registrant, technical contact, or administrative contract (or
the equivalent under a ccTLD) as listed in the WHOIS record of the Base Domain Name or in a DNS SOA record.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Domain Name Registrant</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">: Sometimes referred to as the “owner” of a Domain Name, but more properly
the person(s) or entity(ies) registered with a Domain Name Registrar as having the right to control how a Domain Name is used, such as the natural person or Legal Entity that is listed as the “Registrant” by WHOIS or the Domain Name Registrar.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">"Domain Contact" is just the self-reported name in WhoIs -- so I think Domain Name Registrant is the party we are actually trying to verify as the Applicant.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Public [<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org">mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>] On Behalf Of Geoff Keating via Public<br>
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 10:18 AM<br>
To: Mads Egil Henriksveen <<a href="mailto:Mads.Henriksveen@buypass.no">Mads.Henriksveen@buypass.no</a>>; CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org">public@cabforum.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [cabfpub] [EXTERNAL] Verification of Domain Contact and Domain Authorization Document<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I think this proposed change actually makes 3.2.2.4.1 weaker. Previously it was necessary to validate that the Applicant and the Domain Contact were the same—some CAs might
not have been doing this properly, but it was what the words said. Now you’re just validating that the Applicant has the same name and represents to a Q*IS that it has the same address.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> On Jan 19, 2018, at 4:58 AM, Mads Egil Henriksveen via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">public@cabforum.org</span></a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> Hi Gerv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> The current version 3.2.2.4.1 says:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> 3.2.2.4.1 Validating the Applicant as a Domain Contact Confirming the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> Applicant's control over the FQDN by validating the Applicant is the Domain Contact directly with the Domain Name Registrar.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> This method may only be used if:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> 1. The CA authenticates the Applicant's identity under BR Section<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> 3.2.2.1 and the authority of the Applicant Representative under BR<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> Section 3.2.5, OR 2. The CA authenticates the Applicant's identity under EV Guidelines Section 11.2 and the agency of the Certificate Approver under EV Guidelines Section
11.8; OR 3. The CA is also the Domain Name Registrar, or an Affiliate of the Registrar, of the Base Domain Name.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> Note: Once the FQDN has been validated using this method, the CA MAY also issue Certificates for other FQDNs that end with all the labels of the validated FQDN. This method
is suitable for validating Wildcard Domain Names.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> Our proposal concentrates on the first part, i.e. the following statement:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>>> Confirming the Applicant's control over the FQDN by validating the Applicant is the Domain Contact directly with the Domain Name Registrar.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> Is to be replaced with:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> << Conforming the Applicant's control over the FQDN by validating the Applicant as the Domain Name Registrant by verifying that:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> << 1. The name of the Domain Name Registrant matches the Applicant's name AND<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> << 2. Additional information about the Domain Name Registrant in the WHOIS meet the following requirements:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> << i. The Registrant's postal address in the WHOIS belongs to the Applicant. CAs MUST verify this by matching it with one of the Applicant's addresses in:
(a) a QGIS, QTIS, or QIIS; or (b) a Verified Professional Letter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> << Note: Address details in the WHOIS are required to use this option. Address details must include at a minimum the Country and either Locality,
State or Province. OR<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> << ii. The WHOIS contains the Registration (or similar) Number assigned to the Applicant by the Incorporating or Registration Agency in its Jurisdiction of
Incorporation or Registration as appropriate. CAs MUST verify this by matching the Registration Number in the WHOIS with the Applicant's Registration Number in a QGIS or a QTIS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> The first change is the use of Domain Name Registrant instead of Domain Contact, i.e. the focus is on domain ownership.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> The proposal requires that the name of the Registrant (in WHOIS) matches 1) the name of the Applicant AND either 2 i) the postal address of the Registrant (in WHOIS) matches
the postal address of the Applicant (in sources accepted for EV validation) OR 2 ii) a Registration Number for the Registrant (in WHOIS) matches the Registration Number of the Applicant (in a QGIS or QTIS).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> The proposal addresses threats due to that organization names are not unique, the combination of organization name and address or organization name and registration number
should be unique. It also removes ambiguities the current language permits (according to Jeremy - see attachment).<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> From: Public [<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org</span></a>] On Behalf Of
Gervase<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> Markham via Public<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> Sent: fredag 19. januar 2018 10:29<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> To: Mads Egil Henriksveen via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">public@cabforum.org</span></a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> Subject: Re: [cabfpub] [EXTERNAL] Verification of Domain Contact and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> On 19/01/18 06:51, Mads Egil Henriksveen via Public wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>> Buypass, Entrust Datacard and GlobalSign have been working on some<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>> text to strengthen 3.2.2.4.1 instead of removing it - find the draft<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>> text below. The draft was discussed in the Validation Working Group<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>> meeting yesterday. We would like to offer this as an amendment to Ballot 218.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> Is it possible to provide a diff, e.g. by turning the new text into a Github pull request, or some other mechanism?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> Once we have a diff, might it be possible for rationale to be provided for each change?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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