<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Tim raises a good question below, regarding whether legacy working groups and newly-approved working groups should both be called “working groups.” Maybe we should make a clear distinction between “Legacy Groups,” and “Chartered Working Groups,” or something similar. Thoughts?<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There’s also a question about a mechanism to convert “legacy” working groups to “chartered” working groups within 6 months. The process for converting a “legacy” group into a “chartered” group is specified in Section 5.3.4 (see below) of the new Bylaws. The legacy group would need to go through the same process as any other group would to get a charter approved. So the process is already covered.</div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="" style="font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; line-height: normal;"><span class="" style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><font color="#006d8f" class="">
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<!--StartFragment--></font><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><b class=""><span style="font-family: Arial;" class=""><font color="#006d8f" class="">5.3.4 Legacy Working Groups</font></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-family: Arial;" class=""><font color="#006d8f" class="">Any legacy
Working Groups in existence when this Bylaws v.1.8 is approved by the Forum shall
have the option of immediately terminating or continuing in effect without
change for 6 months following such approval.
For a legacy a Working Group to continue beyond such 6 months, it must
have a charter approved as described in Section 5.3.1 above, as if it was a new
Working Group.</font><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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Is it necessary for the Server Certificate Working<br class="">Group Charter to say anything about sub-working groups (I wish we hadn't<br class="">used the existing term "working group" to mean something new, it is going<br class="">to be very confusing).<br class=""><br class="">Section 5.3.4 states that "legacy" working groups can be terminated<br class=""></blockquote>immediately or must be rechartered within 6 months.<br class=""><br class="">There is no such thing as a "sub-working group" under the new bylaws. I<br class="">think this means that there is no mechanism for an existing WG like<br class="">Validation or Network Security to bring a proposal to the Server<br class="">Certificate WG for discussion and voting?<br class="">-------------- next part --------------<br class="">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br class="">URL: <<a href="http://cabforum.org/pipermail/public/attachments/20180116/a613818d/attachment-0001.html" class="">http://cabforum.org/pipermail/public/attachments/20180116/a613818d/attachment-0001.html</a>><br class=""><br class="">------------------------------<br class=""><br class="">Message: 2<br class="">Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 16:36:14 +0000<br class="">From: Tim Hollebeek <<a href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com" class="">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</a>><br class="">To: Wayne Thayer <<a href="mailto:wthayer@mozilla.com" class="">wthayer@mozilla.com</a>><br class="">Cc: CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" class="">public@cabforum.org</a>><br class="">Subject: Re: [cabfpub] Pre-Ballot 206 - Amendment to IPR Policy &<br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Bylaws re Working Group Formation<br class="">Message-ID:<br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><<a href="mailto:DM5PR14MB128949AC267566F7DBC0EFC683EA0@DM5PR14MB1289.namprd14.prod.outlook.com" class="">DM5PR14MB128949AC267566F7DBC0EFC683EA0@DM5PR14MB1289.namprd14.prod.outlook.com</a>><br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><br class="">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br class=""><br class="">Yes, that last part is what I?m concerned about. We said they need to be re-chartered within 6 months, but I think we dropped the ball on including a mechanism to do so.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-Tim<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div></body></html>