<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
<meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)">
<style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:Wingdings;
panose-1:5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;}
@font-face
{font-family:"Cambria Math";
panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Consolas;
panose-1:2 11 6 9 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol";
panose-1:2 11 5 2 4 2 4 2 2 3;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;
color:black;}
h4
{mso-style-priority:9;
mso-style-link:"Heading 4 Char";
mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
margin-right:0in;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:0in;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;
color:black;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:purple;
text-decoration:underline;}
pre
{mso-style-priority:99;
mso-style-link:"HTML Preformatted Char";
margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New";
color:black;}
span.Heading4Char
{mso-style-name:"Heading 4 Char";
mso-style-priority:9;
mso-style-link:"Heading 4";
font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;
color:#2E74B5;
font-style:italic;}
span.HTMLPreformattedChar
{mso-style-name:"HTML Preformatted Char";
mso-style-priority:99;
mso-style-link:"HTML Preformatted";
font-family:"Consolas",serif;
color:black;}
span.EmailStyle22
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
color:#1F497D;}
.MsoChpDefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;
font-size:10.0pt;}
@page WordSection1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.WordSection1
{page:WordSection1;}
/* List Definitions */
@list l0
{mso-list-id:979650365;
mso-list-template-ids:1886696538;}
@list l0:level1
{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
mso-level-text:;
mso-level-tab-stop:.5in;
mso-level-number-position:left;
text-indent:-.25in;
mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;}
@list l0:level2
{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
mso-level-text:o;
mso-level-tab-stop:1.0in;
mso-level-number-position:left;
text-indent:-.25in;
mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";}
@list l0:level3
{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
mso-level-text:;
mso-level-tab-stop:1.5in;
mso-level-number-position:left;
text-indent:-.25in;
mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Wingdings;}
@list l0:level4
{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
mso-level-text:;
mso-level-tab-stop:2.0in;
mso-level-number-position:left;
text-indent:-.25in;
mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Wingdings;}
@list l0:level5
{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
mso-level-text:;
mso-level-tab-stop:2.5in;
mso-level-number-position:left;
text-indent:-.25in;
mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Wingdings;}
@list l0:level6
{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
mso-level-text:;
mso-level-tab-stop:3.0in;
mso-level-number-position:left;
text-indent:-.25in;
mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Wingdings;}
@list l0:level7
{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
mso-level-text:;
mso-level-tab-stop:3.5in;
mso-level-number-position:left;
text-indent:-.25in;
mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Wingdings;}
@list l0:level8
{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
mso-level-text:;
mso-level-tab-stop:4.0in;
mso-level-number-position:left;
text-indent:-.25in;
mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Wingdings;}
@list l0:level9
{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
mso-level-text:;
mso-level-tab-stop:4.5in;
mso-level-number-position:left;
text-indent:-.25in;
mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Wingdings;}
ol
{margin-bottom:0in;}
ul
{margin-bottom:0in;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
<o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
</head>
<body bgcolor="white" lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple">
<div class="WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">+1 – sounds good to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Gerv – are you willing to make this change to your draft ballot?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> Dimitris Zacharopoulos [mailto:jimmy@it.auth.gr]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 8, 2017 3:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Virginia Fournier <vfournier@apple.com>; CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <public@cabforum.org>; Kirk Hall <Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com>; Gervase Markham <gerv@mozilla.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] [EXTERNAL]Re: Ballot XXX: Update Discussion Period<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Offering a previously stated suggestion.<br>
<br>
"Editorial changes" (the definitions 1 and 2 from W3C Process Document seem reasonable) must be proposed to the public list and clearly identified as such. If any voting member objects and considers such change as "not editorial", then the formal ballot process
shall take place. if no objections are raised, then these editorial changes shall be applied along with changes approved via the next upcoming ballot.<br>
<br>
Does this make sense?<br>
Dimitris.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 8/12/2017 9:14 μμ, Virginia Fournier via Public wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">Maybe we could state that “editorial” changes could be made without restarting the discussion period. “Editorial” could be defined something like 1 and 2 below (taken from the W3C Process Document):
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<h4 id="correction-classes"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">6.2.5 Classes of Changes<o:p></o:p></span></h4>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">This document distinguishes the following 4 classes of changes to a specification. The first two classes of change are considered <dfn id="editorial-change"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">editorial
changes</span></dfn>, the latter two <dfn id="substantive-change"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">substantive changes</span></dfn>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0433FF">1. No changes to text content</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0433FF">These changes include fixing broken links, style sheets or invalid markup.</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0433FF">2. Corrections that do not affect conformance</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0433FF">Changes that reasonable implementers would not interpret as changing architectural or interoperability requirements or their implementation. Changes which
resolve ambiguities in the specification are considered to change (by clarification) the implementation requirements and do not fall into this class.</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0433FF">Examples of changes in this class include correcting non-normative code examples where the code clearly conflicts with normative requirements, clarifying
informative use cases or other non-normative text, fixing typos or grammatical errors where the change does not change implementation requirements. If there is any doubt or dissent as to whether requirements are changed, such changes do not fall into this
class.</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0433FF">3. Corrections that do not add new features</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0433FF">These changes <em><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">may</span></em> affect conformance to the specification. A change that affects conformance
is one that:</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0433FF">makes conforming data, processors, or other conforming agents become non-conforming according to the new version, or</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0433FF">makes non-conforming data, processors, or other agents become conforming, or</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0433FF">clears up an ambiguity or under-specified part of the specification in such a way that data, a processor, or an agent whose conformance was once unclear becomes clearly
either conforming or non-conforming.</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0433FF">4. New features</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0433FF">Changes that add a new functionality, element, etc.</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Best regards,<br>
<br>
Virginia Fournier<br>
Senior Standards Counsel<br>
Apple Inc.<br>
<span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif">☏</span> 669-227-9595<br>
<span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif">✉</span>︎ <a href="mailto:vmf@apple.com">vmf@apple.com</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
On Dec 8, 2017, at 10:29 AM, Kirk Hall <<a href="mailto:Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com">Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Gerv, this started as your ballot, so it's up to you - do you want to allow such minor edits without restarting the discussion period, or not?<br>
<br>
If yes, you need to put defining / permissive language in the ballot. I won't be comfortable if we have no written permission for edits, but then allow them informally later when ballots have errors - it needs to be in the ballot.<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Gervase Markham [<a href="mailto:gerv@mozilla.org">mailto:gerv@mozilla.org</a>] <br>
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 1:23 PM<br>
To: Kirk Hall <<a href="mailto:Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com">Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com</a>>; CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org">public@cabforum.org</a>>; Ryan Sleevi <<a href="mailto:sleevi@google.com">sleevi@google.com</a>><br>
Cc: Virginia Fournier <<a href="mailto:vfournier@apple.com">vfournier@apple.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [cabfpub] [EXTERNAL]Re: Ballot XXX: Update Discussion Period<br>
<br>
On 08/12/17 18:17, Kirk Hall via Public wrote:<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">Just putting the question to you in the abstract – do you think we <br>
should have to restart a seven day discussion just to correct an <br>
obvious typo?<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
Let us say the answer to that question is "no". Then the obvious next question is: "how do you, the proponent of this idea, define 'obvious typo' in a way which does not open the door to substantive changes, or changes which people would argue about the substantiveness
of, and without inventing Yet Another Voting/Polling Mechanism"?<br>
<br>
Gerv<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Public mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a href="mailto:Public@cabforum.org">Public@cabforum.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a href="https://cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/public">https://cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/public</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
</blockquote>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
</body>
</html>