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    <font face="Cambria">Thank you, Virginia.<br>
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      I assumed binding works like this:<br>
      <br>
      BR/EVG --> Webtrust/ETSI audit schemes --> Audit report
      --> CP/CPS --> Binding RPA/Subscriber Agreement<br>
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      Agree?<br>
      <br>
      Thanks,<br>
      M.D.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/13/2017 12:38 AM, Virginia
      Fournier via Public wrote:<br>
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                  widows: auto;" class="">Message: 3</span><br
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                <span style="font-size: 14px; orphans: auto; widows:
                  auto;" class="">Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 00:18:33 +0300</span><br
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                <span style="font-size: 14px; orphans: auto; widows:
                  auto;" class="">From: "Moudrick M. Dadashov" <</span><a
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                <span style="font-size: 14px; orphans: auto; widows:
                  auto;" class="">To: Virginia Fournier via Public <</span><a
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                <span style="font-size: 14px; orphans: auto; widows:
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                  Liability and Indemnification</span><br
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                <span style="font-size: 14px; orphans: auto; widows:
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                <span style="font-size: 14px; orphans: auto; widows:
                  auto;" class="">Could you please explain why you think
                  BR and EV Requirements are only </span><br
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                <span style="font-size: 14px; orphans: auto; widows:
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                <span style="font-size: 14px; orphans: auto; widows:
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                <span style="font-size: 14px; orphans: auto; widows:
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                  widows: auto;" class="">Hi M.D.</span></span></div>
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                  widows: auto;" class="">I can see why this would be
                  hard to understand.</span></span></div>
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              line-height: normal;"><span class="" style="orphans: 2;
                widows: 2;">Entities who are not members of the Forum
                have nothing that would legally bind them to abide by
                those limitations.  They aren’t members, so they aren’t
                bound by any of the Forum documents - Bylaws, Baseline
                Requirements, etc.  They don’t have a written agreement
                with the Forum to abide by certain requirements, so
                they’re not bound that way either.  </span></div>
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              line-height: normal;"><span class="" style="orphans: 2;
                widows: 2;">The best way to make the limitations binding
                on the Subscribers, Relying Parties, etc. would be for
                the CAs to enter into agreements with those parties, and
                try to get them to agree to the limitations.  But,
                again, they could just ignore the limitations.</span></div>
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              line-height: normal;"><span class="" style="orphans: 2;
                widows: 2;">As an example, let’s say you and I make an
                agreement that you will sell a car to my friend Bob for
                $5,000.  We sign the agreement and you’re ready to
                deliver the car to Bob.  You get to Bob’s house, and he
                wants the car for $2,000.  You say that you agreed with
                me to sell it for $5,000.  Bob says tough turnips, he
                wasn’t part of that agreement, it’s his money, and he
                won’t pay more than $2,000.  You would have no choice
                but to sell Bob the car for $2,000 or find a new buyer.
                 The agreement that you and I made for $5,000 isn’t
                binding on Bob, because he wasn’t part of the agreement.
                 Does that make sense?</span></div>
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                widows: 2;">Virginia <br style="font-size: 14px;
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                <span style="font-size: 14px; orphans: auto; widows:
                  auto;" class="">On 10/13/2017 12:08 AM, Virginia
                  Fournier via Public wrote:</span><br style="font-size:
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                <blockquote type="cite" style="font-size: 14px; orphans:
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                  I want to weigh in on this from a legal perspective.<br
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                  The limitations on liabilities and indemnification
                  provisions included in the Baseline Requirements and
                  the EV Requirements are only binding on members of the
                  Forum.  In other words, these limitations are not
                  binding on parties such as Subscribers and Relying
                  Parties, and they do not have to accept the stated
                  amounts.<br class="">
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                  So, CAs can try to obtain the limitations you?ve
                  enumerated below, but they do not have to be accepted.
                   For example, a Subscriber could demand a unlimited
                  liability, and the CA would have to decide how to
                  proceed.<br class="">
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                  Also, what is ?legally recognizable and provable
                  claims? intended to cover, or exclude?<br class="">
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                  Best regards,<br class="">
                  <br class="">
                  Virginia Fournier<br class="">
                  Senior Standards Counsel<br class="">
                  ? Apple Inc.<br class="">
                  ? 669-227-9595<br class="">
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