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<font face="Cambria">Thank you, Virginia.<br>
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I assumed binding works like this:<br>
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BR/EVG --> Webtrust/ETSI audit schemes --> Audit report
--> CP/CPS --> Binding RPA/Subscriber Agreement<br>
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Agree?<br>
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Thanks,<br>
M.D.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/13/2017 12:38 AM, Virginia
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<span style="font-size: 14px; orphans: auto; widows:
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<span style="font-size: 14px; orphans: auto; widows:
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<span style="font-size: 14px; orphans: auto; widows:
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<span style="font-size: 14px; orphans: auto; widows:
auto;" class="">Subject: Re: [cabfpub] Limitation of
Liability and Indemnification</span><br
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<span style="font-size: 14px; orphans: auto; widows:
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<span style="font-size: 14px; orphans: auto; widows:
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BR and EV Requirements are only </span><br
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<span style="font-size: 14px; orphans: auto; widows:
auto;" class="">binding on members of the Forum?</span><br
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<span style="font-size: 14px; orphans: auto; widows:
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<span style="font-size: 14px; orphans: auto; widows:
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line-height: normal;"><span class="" style="orphans: 2;
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widows: auto;" class="">Hi M.D.</span></span></div>
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widows: 2;"><span style="font-size: 14px; orphans: auto;
widows: auto;" class="">I can see why this would be
hard to understand.</span></span></div>
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widows: 2;">Entities who are not members of the Forum
have nothing that would legally bind them to abide by
those limitations. They aren’t members, so they aren’t
bound by any of the Forum documents - Bylaws, Baseline
Requirements, etc. They don’t have a written agreement
with the Forum to abide by certain requirements, so
they’re not bound that way either. </span></div>
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line-height: normal;"><span class="" style="orphans: 2;
widows: 2;">The best way to make the limitations binding
on the Subscribers, Relying Parties, etc. would be for
the CAs to enter into agreements with those parties, and
try to get them to agree to the limitations. But,
again, they could just ignore the limitations.</span></div>
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widows: 2;">As an example, let’s say you and I make an
agreement that you will sell a car to my friend Bob for
$5,000. We sign the agreement and you’re ready to
deliver the car to Bob. You get to Bob’s house, and he
wants the car for $2,000. You say that you agreed with
me to sell it for $5,000. Bob says tough turnips, he
wasn’t part of that agreement, it’s his money, and he
won’t pay more than $2,000. You would have no choice
but to sell Bob the car for $2,000 or find a new buyer.
The agreement that you and I made for $5,000 isn’t
binding on Bob, because he wasn’t part of the agreement.
Does that make sense?</span></div>
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widows: 2;">Virginia <br style="font-size: 14px;
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<span style="font-size: 14px; orphans: auto; widows:
auto;" class="">On 10/13/2017 12:08 AM, Virginia
Fournier via Public wrote:</span><br style="font-size:
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<blockquote type="cite" style="font-size: 14px; orphans:
auto; widows: auto;" class="">Hi all,<br class="">
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I want to weigh in on this from a legal perspective.<br
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The limitations on liabilities and indemnification
provisions included in the Baseline Requirements and
the EV Requirements are only binding on members of the
Forum. In other words, these limitations are not
binding on parties such as Subscribers and Relying
Parties, and they do not have to accept the stated
amounts.<br class="">
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So, CAs can try to obtain the limitations you?ve
enumerated below, but they do not have to be accepted.
For example, a Subscriber could demand a unlimited
liability, and the CA would have to decide how to
proceed.<br class="">
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Also, what is ?legally recognizable and provable
claims? intended to cover, or exclude?<br class="">
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Best regards,<br class="">
<br class="">
Virginia Fournier<br class="">
Senior Standards Counsel<br class="">
? Apple Inc.<br class="">
? 669-227-9595<br class="">
?? <a href="mailto:vmf@apple.com" class=""
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regards,</div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height:
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class="">Virginia
Fournier</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height:
normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class="">Senior
Standards Counsel</div>
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normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
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Pro'; color: rgb(94, 94, 94);
-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(94, 94, 94);" class=""></span> Apple
Inc.</div>
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normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class="">☏
669-227-9595</div>
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