<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Virginia Fournier via Public <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:Helvetica;line-height:normal"><span><span style="font-size:14px">Message: 3</span><br style="font-size:14px"><span style="font-size:14px">Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 00:18:33 +0300</span><span class=""><br style="font-size:14px"><span style="font-size:14px">From: "Moudrick M. Dadashov" <</span><a href="mailto:md@ssc.lt" style="font-size:14px" target="_blank">md@ssc.lt</a><span style="font-size:14px">></span><br style="font-size:14px"></span><span style="font-size:14px">To: Virginia Fournier via Public <</span><a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" style="font-size:14px" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a><span style="font-size:14px">></span><br style="font-size:14px"><span style="font-size:14px">Subject: Re: [cabfpub] Limitation of Liability and Indemnification</span><br style="font-size:14px"><span style="font-size:14px">Message-ID: <</span><a href="mailto:3b9e4544-5b18-7535-c712-1cf544d7d8c5@ssc.lt" style="font-size:14px" target="_blank">3b9e4544-5b18-7535-c712-<wbr>1cf544d7d8c5@ssc.lt</a><span style="font-size:14px">></span><br style="font-size:14px"><span style="font-size:14px">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"</span><span class=""><br style="font-size:14px"><br style="font-size:14px"><span style="font-size:14px">Could you please explain why you think BR and EV Requirements are only </span><br style="font-size:14px"><span style="font-size:14px">binding on members of the Forum?</span><br style="font-size:14px"><br style="font-size:14px"><span style="font-size:14px">Thanks,</span><br style="font-size:14px"><span style="font-size:14px">M.D.</span></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:Helvetica;line-height:normal"><span><span style="font-size:14px"><br></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:Helvetica;line-height:normal"><span><span style="font-size:14px">Hi M.D.</span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:Helvetica;line-height:normal"><span><span style="font-size:14px"><br></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:Helvetica;line-height:normal"><span><span style="font-size:14px">I can see why this would be hard to understand.</span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:Helvetica;line-height:normal"><span><br></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:Helvetica;line-height:normal"><span>Entities who are not members of the Forum have nothing that would legally bind them to abide by those limitations.  They aren’t members, so they aren’t bound by any of the Forum documents - Bylaws, Baseline Requirements, etc.  They don’t have a written agreement with the Forum to abide by certain requirements, so they’re not bound that way either.  </span></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Members of the Forum also aren't bound to abide by the Baseline Requirements.</div><div><br></div><div>Given this, does that resolve your concern?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:Helvetica;line-height:normal"><span>The best way to make the limitations binding on the Subscribers, Relying Parties, etc. would be for the CAs to enter into agreements with those parties, and try to get them to agree to the limitations.  But, again, they could just ignore the limitations.</span></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Perhaps phrased differently - the BRs describe what such agreements MUST and SHOULD contain. This is allowing a further modification (a MAY) to such agreements. The enforcement and requirement that CAs agreements do or do not contain such provisions is done by the root stores that individual CAs partner with - not by the Forum.</div><div><br></div><div>No member of the Forum is bound to abide by the Baseline Requirements by the Forum. The only document any member is bound to is to the IPR policy (as per the mutual contracts signed). </div><div><br></div></div></div></div>