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<br class=""><div><div class="">On Oct 12, 2017, at 3:11 PM, Moudrick M. Dadashov <<a href="mailto:md@ssc.lt" class="">md@ssc.lt</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
  
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    <font face="Cambria" class="">How about:<br class="">
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      BR/EVG --> Webtrust/ETSI schemes --> <b class="">Root Store schemes</b>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/13/2017 12:58 AM, Ryan Sleevi via
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 5:38 PM,
            Virginia Fournier via Public <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">public@cabforum.org</a>></span>
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                          <span style="font-size:14px" class="">Date: Fri, 13 Oct
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                            <span style="font-size:14px" class="">From: "Moudrick
                              M. Dadashov" <</span><a href="mailto:md@ssc.lt" style="font-size:14px" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">md@ssc.lt</a><span style="font-size:14px" class="">></span><br style="font-size:14px" class="">
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                            Virginia Fournier via Public <</span><a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" style="font-size:14px" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">public@cabforum.org</a><span style="font-size:14px" class="">></span><br style="font-size:14px" class="">
                          <span style="font-size:14px" class="">Subject: Re:
                            [cabfpub] Limitation of Liability and
                            Indemnification</span><br style="font-size:14px" class="">
                          <span style="font-size:14px" class="">Message-ID: <</span><a href="mailto:3b9e4544-5b18-7535-c712-1cf544d7d8c5@ssc.lt" style="font-size:14px" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">3b9e4544-5b18-7535-c712-<wbr class="">1cf544d7d8c5@ssc.lt</a><span style="font-size:14px" class="">></span><br style="font-size:14px" class="">
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                            <span style="font-size:14px" class="">Could you
                              please explain why you think BR and EV
                              Requirements are only </span><br style="font-size:14px" class="">
                            <span style="font-size:14px" class="">binding on
                              members of the Forum?</span><br style="font-size:14px" class="">
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                            <span style="font-size:14px" class="">Thanks,</span><br style="font-size:14px" class="">
                            <span style="font-size:14px" class="">M.D.</span></span></span></div>
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                            would be hard to understand.</span></span></div>
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                          who are not members of the Forum have nothing
                          that would legally bind them to abide by those
                          limitations.  They aren’t members, so they
                          aren’t bound by any of the Forum documents -
                          Bylaws, Baseline Requirements, etc.  They
                          don’t have a written agreement with the Forum
                          to abide by certain requirements, so they’re
                          not bound that way either.  </span></div>
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            <div class="">Members of the Forum also aren't bound to abide by the
              Baseline Requirements.</div>
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            <div class="">Given this, does that resolve your concern?</div>
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                          best way to make the limitations binding on
                          the Subscribers, Relying Parties, etc. would
                          be for the CAs to enter into agreements with
                          those parties, and try to get them to agree to
                          the limitations.  But, again, they could just
                          ignore the limitations.</span></div>
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            <div class="">Perhaps phrased differently - the BRs describe what
              such agreements MUST and SHOULD contain. This is allowing
              a further modification (a MAY) to such agreements. The
              enforcement and requirement that CAs agreements do or do
              not contain such provisions is done by the root stores
              that individual CAs partner with - not by the Forum.</div>
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            <div class="">No member of the Forum is bound to abide by the
              Baseline Requirements by the Forum. The only document any
              member is bound to is to the IPR policy (as per the mutual
              contracts signed). </div>
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