<div dir="ltr">Ah, thanks for clarifying, Wayne! Does this mean that only you can clear messages from the Mod-queue for Dean to reply to?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Wayne Thayer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wthayer@godaddy.com" target="_blank">wthayer@godaddy.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ryan – with the exception of public@, all of our lists are configured to hold messages from non-members for moderation. Since not all CAs who would be subject to this requirement are members, I think the list you’re proposing would require
the same configuration. Access to moderate a list is available to any member who wants to volunteer. We get a decent amount of spam in the questions@ moderation queue despite having a basic spam filter in place.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Ryan Sleevi <<a href="mailto:sleevi@google.com" target="_blank">sleevi@google.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 10:23 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Dean Coclin <<a href="mailto:Dean_Coclin@symantec.com" target="_blank">Dean_Coclin@symantec.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Wayne Thayer <<a href="mailto:wthayer@godaddy.com" target="_blank">wthayer@godaddy.com</a>>, CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>>, Gervase Markham <<a href="mailto:gerv@mozilla.org" target="_blank">gerv@mozilla.org</a>></span></p><div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [cabfpub] Ballot 213 - Revocation Timeline Extension<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Could you clarify the extent of moderation?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That is, you highlighted Eddy as the Admin - but that's the Bylaws Section 6.2. Gerv's concern seems to be about reviewing spam queues, approving messages, adding/removing subscribers. Is that something you (or Dean) find yourself using?
It's not something I've seen configured on any of the CA/B Forum Mailman instances (namely, hold for moderation), but is something that Mozilla has configured for their messages. That was the context and substance of what I was replying to Gerv about - that
is, there's a mailing-list-admin function (of which I believe only GoDaddy has administrative access to mailman), and then there's the procedural question (which I believe you're responding to).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There's no new procedural requirements, so this is presumably only a question about the actual administrative function of the mail list.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As to Dean's point, the fact that we don't have a spam problem on the questions@ list, or hold for moderation, is why I don't think it's a substantive concern.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Dean Coclin <<a href="mailto:Dean_Coclin@symantec.com" target="_blank">Dean_Coclin@symantec.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">I’m currently responding to questions as best I can. We haven’t had much volume on that list though.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Public [mailto:<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public-bounces@<wbr>cabforum.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Wayne Thayer via Public<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ryan Sleevi <<a href="mailto:sleevi@google.com" target="_blank">sleevi@google.com</a>>; CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>>; Gervase Markham <<a href="mailto:gerv@mozilla.org" target="_blank">gerv@mozilla.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] Ballot 213 - Revocation Timeline Extension<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>>I do not believe that's not been a concern of any Forum mailing list to date, because that's now how the Forum has operated its mailing lists.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is precisely how the Forum operates its lists – questions@ in particular, but all the others as well. And while Eddy Nigg was the long-time questions@ list admin, there is
currently no one who really owns the task of monitoring the questions list in a timely fashion (and I suspect that timely moderation is quite important for this new list that’s being proposed). I am currently doing a lot of the moderation but am transitioning
the work to Ben, which I believe supports the point that Gerv is making.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Public <<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>> on behalf of Ryan Sleevi via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Ryan Sleevi <<a href="mailto:sleevi@google.com" target="_blank">sleevi@google.com</a>>, CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 9:54 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Gervase Markham <<a href="mailto:gerv@mozilla.org" target="_blank">gerv@mozilla.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [cabfpub] Ballot 213 - Revocation Timeline Extension</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Gervase Markham <<a href="mailto:gerv@mozilla.org" target="_blank">gerv@mozilla.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 11/10/17 17:39, Ryan Sleevi wrote:<br>
> What do you believe requires looking after? Spam? Substance? Access?<br>
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Mailing lists don't manage themselves. Says someone who manages six and<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So your concern is a message being held for moderation and requiring manual review?<u></u><u></u></p>
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