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<font face="Cambria">Would you mind to show how it would sound now?
:)</font><br>
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Thanks,<br>
M.D.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/26/2017 2:14 AM, Ben Wilson wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext"> Ben Wilson <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 25, 2017 5:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ben Wilson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ben.wilson@digicert.com"><ben.wilson@digicert.com></a>;
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<b>Subject:</b> RE: [cabfpub] Pre-Ballot 209 EV
Liability<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Never mind –
I think I now see your point. Not “up to” it needs to be
“not less than $5 million.” Would that make it clearer?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 25, 2017 5:10 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] Pre-Ballot 209 EV
Liability<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">It’s
permissive – a CA MAY limit its liability. Maybe we should
say “up to $5 million”. Then, would that be clearer -
that it can be less than $5 million?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext"> Moudrick M. Dadashov [<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:md@ssc.lt">mailto:md@ssc.lt</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 25, 2017 4:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ben Wilson <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Liability<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Cambria",serif">With "and" I
don't see its optional.<br>
<br>
Again, just to understand the model: is per EV certificate
amount is NOT fixed whereas 12-month continuous amount is
the only option ($5 mln.)?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
M.D. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 7/26/2017 1:28 AM, Ben Wilson wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">All of the
provisions would provide optional caps that CAs could
place on EV liability. The 12-month $5 Million cap allows
a CA to cap all EV liability to all those EV certificates
issued within a single year. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext"> Moudrick M. Dadashov [<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:md@ssc.lt">mailto:md@ssc.lt</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 25, 2017 4:24 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] Pre-Ballot 209 EV
Liability</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Cambria",serif">Ok. Do I
understand the intention correctly: to have a "floating
liability" amount per EV certificate and "fixed liability"
amount per continuous 12-month period?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
M.D.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 7/26/2017 1:10 AM, Ben Wilson wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">No.
Because they MAY do both. An “or” would mean that they
have to choose between the two, which isn’t the intent.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext"> Moudrick M. Dadashov [<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:md@ssc.lt">mailto:md@ssc.lt</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 25, 2017 4:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ben Wilson <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] Pre-Ballot 209 EV
Liability</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Cambria",serif">Hi Ben,<br>
<br>
could it be "or" between (1) and (2)?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
M.D.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 7/25/2017 11:59 PM, Ben Wilson via
Public wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Here is another pre-ballot for
discussion.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Ballot 209 - EV Liability</b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In Section 18 of the EV Guidelines,
add the following sentences to the end of the first
paragraph:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Notwithstanding the foregoing, a CA
MAY limit its liability to Subscribers or Relying
Parties for legally recognized and provable claims to:
(1) one hundred thousand US dollars – aggregated across
all claims, Subscribers, and Relying Parties – per EV
Certificate; and (2) five million US dollars –
aggregated across all claims, Subscribers, and Relying
Parties – for all EV Certificates issued by the CA
during any continuous 12-month period. These limitations
are notwithstanding anything in the Baseline
Requirements purportedly to the contrary.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Such that Section 18 of the EV
Guidelines would read:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">CAs MAY limit their liability as
described in Section 9.8 of the Baseline Requirements
except that a CA MAY NOT limit its liability to
Subscribers or Relying Parties for legally recognized
and provable claims to a monetary amount less than two
thousand US dollars per Subscriber or Relying Party per
EV Certificate. <u>Notwithstanding the foregoing, a CA
MAY limit its liability to Subscribers or Relying
Parties for legally recognized and provable claims to:
(1) one hundred thousand US dollars – aggregated
across all claims, Subscribers, and Relying Parties –
per EV Certificate; and (2) five million US dollars –
aggregated across all claims, Subscribers, and Relying
Parties – for all EV Certificates issued by the CA
during any continuous 12-month period. These
limitations are notwithstanding anything in the
Baseline Requirements purportedly to the contrary</u>.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">A CA's indemnification obligations
and a Root CA’s obligations with respect to subordinate
CAs are set forth in Section 9.9 of the Baseline
Requirements.<o:p></o:p></p>
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